Discussion with a lib today and this came up, again. This experiment where people will just kill each other on command and how this in their worldview partly explains why the world is shit.
I was able to explain a bit about the way our surroundings shape us from the moment we come into the world and how this experiment would likely give different result if done in a society less driven like our Western hellscapes, but am not sure if I am talking bs on that. However I think psychology is in general very sus and the way human behavious has been explained by it is also sus, so I just don't buy this.
It becomes a problem when these Late Stage Capitalism Libs use things like this to hate other people and turn this "it is known because science" into misantrophy and nihilism. And it helps them not see any alternatives to the way things are, because if humans are shit then they must be shit in all circumstances. We know this isn't true, just by looking at the societies indigenous peoples had.
So isn't this just another way to use "human nature" as an argument for riding humanity of the cliff and be complicit in it? Is there any critiques of these experiments you know about. Thoughts on the whole Milgram experiment thing? It's very popular lore in the West after all.
Libs yearn to be the researcher saying shock other person.
I dont care much, people help each other in the most fucked up situations. the closer the society is to break down (in natural disasters) the more people help each other, not the inverse.
That is true. I also read about this further and it is indeed bs: https://www.discovermagazine.com/mind/the-shocking-truth-of-the-notorious-milgram-obedience-experiments
Looks to me like this was actually used to excuse the nazis from their agency and choice in doing the horrible things they did, creating a narrative they were all just in this state this guy made up from these experiments. Now it all checks out.