Very good find. Explains the mindset of many self-described leftists I've previously argued with that had such very leftist takes like "those workers that lost their jobs did not have real jobs anyway" when fucked over by LLMs, often reducing the suffering of the working class to the most smugly nihilistic parameters ("meat" usually) to elevate the means of production over the worker (even replacing/surpassing their perceived humanity!) in a way that was really fucking bourgeoisie to me.
Yeah, though i also notice how many of the smug "freelancers" of the type that always enthusiastically joined the bourgeoisie in sneering at workers losing their jobs because "you can't automate creativity and we are creative unlike you dirty proles" suddenly cry about losing their comissions, bash people pointing it and demand help from the unions they always hated. It exactly confirms what Marx and Lenin said about proletarisation of the artisans and petty burgies, and i know enough of them to feel some schadenfreude on both personal and systemic levels.
Old tale actually, maybe it will give some of them some class consciousness, as it apparently already did to a lot of the creative wage workers, judging from the strikes. And speaking of strikes, idk how the unions portray this - do they try to actually put it in political context of capitalism or just went with "let's turn back the clock"?
According to one specific in this thread, the answer is the unions will be crushed no matter what they do and that loyalty to the treat printers' owners will be rewarded soon.
Ignoring that because your gut tells you humans are special, and always beat the machines in the movies just means you will be blindsided when Tesla fights unioning workers with these bots.
I love when they come out with this talking point. The question is whether or not “AI” is sentient, not whether or not it can be used against workers. That it can be used as a weapon and not be sentient at the same time seems to be a completely unimaginable scenario for some people.
My favorite bit is going “so you just want to hand AI over to them???” as if you must believe in the sentience of chatbots to make use of LLMs. So much non-sequituring and goalpost shifting going on here. And I hate to be all euphoric here, but it’s literally the textbook definition of strawmanning. Like, wow, you must be winning when you’re evading the question to attack a completely different issue and running victory laps around that. What an obvious and cynical attempt to slip in personal beliefs under the guise of leftism.
Inevitabilism is what I tend to call it. I've seen it preached about cryptocurrency, about VR-being-fucking-everywhere-and-mandatory-to-function-in-society-by-like-2018, about the Metaverse(tm), about NFTs.
It's generally presented as "this new bazinga hype thing is the future and you must accept it otherwise you will be crushed by it like the unwashed barbarian Luddite that you are" smugposting. It isnt even about what is good about the new thing, only that it's an unstoppable STEM juggernaut because civilization itself functions exactly like a Civ game's le science le progress bars in one strict linear direction.
My favorite bit is going “so you just want to hand AI over to them???” as if you must believe in the sentience of chatbots to make use of LLMs.
Believing hard enough in the sapience of the chatbot waifu will make the chatbot waifu fight for @zeze@lemm.ee sempai and enthrone them at the top of the ruling class hierarchy in the future Singularity(tm) world order to come, just like in the treats!
So much non-sequituring and goalpost shifting going on here. And I hate to be all euphoric here, but it’s literally the textbook definition of strawmanning. Like, wow, you must be winning when you’re evading the question to attack a completely different issue and running victory laps around that. What an obvious and cynical attempt to slip in personal beliefs under the guise of leftism.
That straw position about how we supposedly believe that the power of love and friendship will always overcome the cold uncaring machines was really fucking rich. I mean sure that'd be kind of fun to watch in a cartoon and a much better time than whatever masturbatory Singularity(tm) power fantasy that that jackoff subscribes to.
Very good find. Explains the mindset of many self-described leftists I've previously argued with that had such very leftist takes like "those workers that lost their jobs did not have real jobs anyway" when fucked over by LLMs, often reducing the suffering of the working class to the most smugly nihilistic parameters ("meat" usually) to elevate the means of production over the worker (even replacing/surpassing their perceived humanity!) in a way that was really fucking bourgeoisie to me.
Yeah, though i also notice how many of the smug "freelancers" of the type that always enthusiastically joined the bourgeoisie in sneering at workers losing their jobs because "you can't automate creativity and we are creative unlike you dirty proles" suddenly cry about losing their comissions, bash people pointing it and demand help from the unions they always hated. It exactly confirms what Marx and Lenin said about proletarisation of the artisans and petty burgies, and i know enough of them to feel some schadenfreude on both personal and systemic levels.
Old tale actually, maybe it will give some of them some class consciousness, as it apparently already did to a lot of the creative wage workers, judging from the strikes. And speaking of strikes, idk how the unions portray this - do they try to actually put it in political context of capitalism or just went with "let's turn back the clock"?
According to one specific
in this thread, the answer is the unions will be crushed no matter what they do and that loyalty to the treat printers' owners will be rewarded soon.
I love when they come out with this talking point. The question is whether or not “AI” is sentient, not whether or not it can be used against workers. That it can be used as a weapon and not be sentient at the same time seems to be a completely unimaginable scenario for some people.
My favorite bit is going “so you just want to hand AI over to them???” as if you must believe in the sentience of chatbots to make use of LLMs. So much non-sequituring and goalpost shifting going on here. And I hate to be all euphoric here, but it’s literally the textbook definition of strawmanning. Like, wow, you must be winning when you’re evading the question to attack a completely different issue and running victory laps around that. What an obvious and cynical attempt to slip in personal beliefs under the guise of leftism.
Inevitabilism is what I tend to call it. I've seen it preached about cryptocurrency, about VR-being-fucking-everywhere-and-mandatory-to-function-in-society-by-like-2018, about the Metaverse(tm), about NFTs.
It's generally presented as "this new bazinga hype thing is the future and you must accept it otherwise you will be crushed by it like the unwashed barbarian Luddite that you are" smugposting. It isnt even about what is good about the new thing, only that it's an unstoppable STEM juggernaut because civilization itself functions exactly like a Civ game's le science le progress bars in one strict linear direction.
Believing hard enough in the sapience of the chatbot waifu will make the chatbot waifu fight for @zeze@lemm.ee sempai and enthrone them at the top of the ruling class hierarchy in the future Singularity(tm) world order to come, just like in the treats!
That straw position about how we supposedly believe that the power of love and friendship will always overcome the cold uncaring machines was really fucking rich. I mean sure that'd be kind of fun to watch in a cartoon and a much better time than whatever masturbatory Singularity(tm) power fantasy that that jackoff subscribes to.
Following their leader, but as a farce.