Some people like wearing makeup. The way they are, is wearing makeup. Or corsetry, or heels, or for men a hairpiece or lifts. This modern insistance on naturalism over artifice is very damaging.
Let people be the beautiful they see in their minds eye, rather than insisting that they accept what nature or society has given them. Sure, overcome modern beauty standards, but don't ignore your own standards.
Why are trans men allowed to wear lifts but not cis men? Why is it only acceptable for trans people to do gender affirming things but not cis people? Gender dysphoria is not an experience exclusive to trans people, and suggesting otherwise is damaging to people actually understanding the trans experience.
Forgive me, I rescind the pass. No one gets a pass. Beauty standards beyond personal health should be fought rather than reinforced. Some trans men will be short kings and that's okay.
It's just kinda utopian to be a naturalist in this case. We live in a social context where beauty is sociologically determined and positioned as a desirable standard, and so attempting to emulate any of those standards is pretty normal. Attempting to say that people SHOULD avoid those is utopian/idealistic. Of course pretty much everyone would prefer a society where beauty standards exist for only that which is entirely determined by our choices (like our conduct or learned knowledge). But that social context is entirely alien to all existing ones.
We can now of course argue and fight for a world where beauty is unimportant for relationships, but a self-image which doesn't include beauty (which is definitionally socially determined) is impossible. First, beauty as such would have to disappear for this idealist position to be possible.
Let me know if I'm rambling, been having too many thoughts recently
What if you're bald but want to metal out with long curls? Men should be allowed to be pretty, or tall, or refined. Or none of these, you want to rock the power doughnut? cool and good actually!
The reason we mock the chuds for a receding hairline is because they hide this concern for appearance and aesthetic behind a mock hypermasculinity. Not because men aren't allowed to feel dysphoric when their literal hair falls out. I'd be fucking inconsolable if that happened to me! Fuck beauty standards, fuck the tyranny of nature, humans should create themselves and their natural habitat.
What if you're bald but want to metal out with long curls?
Bald guys gotta learn from Northernlion. Being bald is cool, but you've gotta own it. There's nothing sillier looking than a bald guy who can't accept that he's bald. Maybe if we lived in a sci-fi world where wigs and hairpieces and all actually looked like hair does it'd be a different story, but in this world, unless you've got like a professional stylist putting it on you every day, it ... doesn't.
I am of the opinion that we should let people look silly if it makes them happier. Telling someone who's body image is "lots of hair" to just "own it" is kind of shitty.
I mean sure, you can look as silly as you like, I'm not going to haul you off to fashion prison. But most people aspire not to look silly.
The thing is, a lot of people here just seem to be pushing harmful beauty standards that we should all be trying to push back against. None of us get to choose what our body looks like, and that's why for so long it's been important to help people be comfortable and content with the body they have. Not everyone gets to have the right amount of hair, or exactly the facial features they want, or the right height or whatever. It's part of the life of every human who has ever lived. Nobody looks at themselves in the mirror and says, "yes, that is perfect, there is absolutely nothing that could be improved on." No one. Not cavemen, not pop stars, not people who have had a thousand surgeries to try to fix all their flaws. You only have two choices in this life, to learn to be happy with the body you're in, or to be unhappy. Because you're never going to make that unhappiness go away by "fixing" your body.
I used to think like this until I tried using make up.
A lot of people don't use it to cover up features they're unhappy with. Many people use it simply because they like the way it looks. More like a fashion statement than hiding something. It gives people a lot of variety and artistic engagement. People have to work very hard to cultivate these skills, and for many it's a lot of fun.
I mainly take into consideration the side effects of makeup on health as a reason for my hate towards it. In third world countries, the sold makeup isn't regulated and likely contain harmful chemicals due to needing to be as cheap as possible. Even in more developed countries, where the quality is far better, it still obviously has negative affect on the skin.
The people that do it as an art form will likely buy the best quality makeup so it isn't as bad. I hope.
In the end, I don't hate the act of doing makeup. It's a thousand year art form I deeply respect, I despise the modern commercial aspect of it and it's effect on its user health,both psychological and physical.
idk there's so many other things that people regularly do that's more damaging to their health. this one has misogynistic undertones - just let people do what makes them happy. there's other ways to push back against unrealistic body standards.
I get what you're saying, but not everyone wears makeup because of shame or anything like that. Some people view it no differently than having a nice fit, or even as an extension of it.
I hate makeup. I can understand wearing it for special occasions but daily ? No...
To all the people that need to hear this. You are beautiful the way you are.
Some people like wearing makeup. The way they are, is wearing makeup. Or corsetry, or heels, or for men a hairpiece or lifts. This modern insistance on naturalism over artifice is very damaging.
Let people be the beautiful they see in their minds eye, rather than insisting that they accept what nature or society has given them. Sure, overcome modern beauty standards, but don't ignore your own standards.
Society has also given them what they see in their "mind's eye"
Wouldn't be caught dead with either. [Edit: redacted], this doesn't really help your case.
Why are trans men allowed to wear lifts but not cis men? Why is it only acceptable for trans people to do gender affirming things but not cis people? Gender dysphoria is not an experience exclusive to trans people, and suggesting otherwise is damaging to people actually understanding the trans experience.
Forgive me, I rescind the pass. No one gets a pass. Beauty standards beyond personal health should be fought rather than reinforced. Some trans men will be short kings and that's okay.
It's just kinda utopian to be a naturalist in this case. We live in a social context where beauty is sociologically determined and positioned as a desirable standard, and so attempting to emulate any of those standards is pretty normal. Attempting to say that people SHOULD avoid those is utopian/idealistic. Of course pretty much everyone would prefer a society where beauty standards exist for only that which is entirely determined by our choices (like our conduct or learned knowledge). But that social context is entirely alien to all existing ones.
We can now of course argue and fight for a world where beauty is unimportant for relationships, but a self-image which doesn't include beauty (which is definitionally socially determined) is impossible. First, beauty as such would have to disappear for this idealist position to be possible.
Let me know if I'm rambling, been having too many thoughts recently
What if you're bald but want to metal out with long curls? Men should be allowed to be pretty, or tall, or refined. Or none of these, you want to rock the power doughnut? cool and good actually!
The reason we mock the chuds for a receding hairline is because they hide this concern for appearance and aesthetic behind a mock hypermasculinity. Not because men aren't allowed to feel dysphoric when their literal hair falls out. I'd be fucking inconsolable if that happened to me! Fuck beauty standards, fuck the tyranny of nature, humans should create themselves and their natural habitat.
Bald guys gotta learn from Northernlion. Being bald is cool, but you've gotta own it. There's nothing sillier looking than a bald guy who can't accept that he's bald. Maybe if we lived in a sci-fi world where wigs and hairpieces and all actually looked like hair does it'd be a different story, but in this world, unless you've got like a professional stylist putting it on you every day, it ... doesn't.
I am of the opinion that we should let people look silly if it makes them happier. Telling someone who's body image is "lots of hair" to just "own it" is kind of shitty.
I mean sure, you can look as silly as you like, I'm not going to haul you off to fashion prison. But most people aspire not to look silly.
The thing is, a lot of people here just seem to be pushing harmful beauty standards that we should all be trying to push back against. None of us get to choose what our body looks like, and that's why for so long it's been important to help people be comfortable and content with the body they have. Not everyone gets to have the right amount of hair, or exactly the facial features they want, or the right height or whatever. It's part of the life of every human who has ever lived. Nobody looks at themselves in the mirror and says, "yes, that is perfect, there is absolutely nothing that could be improved on." No one. Not cavemen, not pop stars, not people who have had a thousand surgeries to try to fix all their flaws. You only have two choices in this life, to learn to be happy with the body you're in, or to be unhappy. Because you're never going to make that unhappiness go away by "fixing" your body.
Wtf rare hexbear NL mention???
There are dozens of us
NL is the one good lib we will spare him once the revolution comes
Love the funny🥚man
I watch him when my brain is off and I just want memes without triggering stuff. kudos to him for setting up a space like that, unlike all the other
I enjoy his aggressive “please be normal” energy towards any church vibes in chat too
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Unless this is a request for me to edit it, you'll notice I issued a retraction immediately after
yeah, it's a request to edit
Done
thanks, deleted my reply
I used to think like this until I tried using make up.
A lot of people don't use it to cover up features they're unhappy with. Many people use it simply because they like the way it looks. More like a fashion statement than hiding something. It gives people a lot of variety and artistic engagement. People have to work very hard to cultivate these skills, and for many it's a lot of fun.
I mainly take into consideration the side effects of makeup on health as a reason for my hate towards it. In third world countries, the sold makeup isn't regulated and likely contain harmful chemicals due to needing to be as cheap as possible. Even in more developed countries, where the quality is far better, it still obviously has negative affect on the skin.
The people that do it as an art form will likely buy the best quality makeup so it isn't as bad. I hope.
In the end, I don't hate the act of doing makeup. It's a thousand year art form I deeply respect, I despise the modern commercial aspect of it and it's effect on its user health,both psychological and physical.
idk there's so many other things that people regularly do that's more damaging to their health. this one has misogynistic undertones - just let people do what makes them happy. there's other ways to push back against unrealistic body standards.
Eh I gotta wear makeup cause otherwise (Cw gender dysphoria)
spoiler
I see a dude in the mirror and it hurts me
I get what you're saying, but not everyone wears makeup because of shame or anything like that. Some people view it no differently than having a nice fit, or even as an extension of it.
No I'm not.
likewise, make-up enjoyers keep doing what you do. Different strokes for different folks.
Nah, my nails look fucked without nail polish