• happybadger [he/him]
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    11 months ago

    vote for Genocide Joe or Trump will win and do the exact same thing.

      • Adkml [he/him]
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        11 months ago

        Motherufkcer literally said "ok that's one example of Biden expanding concentration camps, who cares"

    • Telorand@reddthat.com
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      11 months ago

      You mean he'll also work to secure a temporary ceasefire to negotiate hostage returns, get humanitarian aid in, and allow civilians to escape?

      Wait, that doesn't sound like Trump...

          • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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            11 months ago

            What do you offer, besides a braindead binary reduction to make yourself feel morally superior?

            "Anyway, here's why you have to vote for the blue genocider instead of the red one" projection

            If I still had any illusions about the hollowness of liberal rhetoric in the face of actual ethnic cleansing, this would have dispelled them. You are all Good Little Germans through and through, and you'll be santimouniously goose-stepping into hell before you know it.

            Go find yourself a pit, and save the civillized people of the world the trouble of burying you in it.

              • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                11 months ago

                pit NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE BLUE GUY WHO RUNS CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND SENDS WEAPONS TO NAZIS OR ELSE THE FASCISTS WILL WIN

                "The people outside looked from blue maga to red maga, and from red maga to blue maga, and from blue to red again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

                Did I stutter, you fucking fascist dork? Remove yourself, preferrably from Earth but at least from the presence of human beings who have retained their souls.

                  • Flinch [he/him]
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                    11 months ago

                    Every ICE detention center along our southern border meets the internationally recognized definition of a concentration camp. None of which have been shut down by Biden. In fact, migrant detention has only increased under his regime. It would behoove you to stop acting like a smug asshole.

                      • Adkml [he/him]
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                        11 months ago

                        Holy shit "ok so there's one example of him expanding concentration camps what's your point point"

                        I have tonassume you're doing a bit right? Even the most die hard liberal couldn't agree that they are concentration camps and dismiss it as "so what" right.

                        Honest question, you just explicitly told us Biden expanding concentration traction camps doesn't neggatively effect your opinion of him. Why would anybody who isn't a proud self proclaimed fascists give a single shit what you think.

                          • Adkml [he/him]
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                            11 months ago

                            Well yea you conveniently cut off the part of my comment that was the question lmao surely a sign of a good faith debate.

                            You're not willing to call somebody expanding what you admitted were concentration camps a fascist? Seems like your political opinions can be pretty easily discarded then since they're objectively worthless.

                              • Adkml [he/him]
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                                11 months ago

                                Lol nobody ever said that was thenonly thing it's just literally the first example somebody brought up and you admitted you weren't aware of it and then i.mediatly started defending. (By the way hope you have a moment of clarity at some point and realize you're literally defending concentration camps)

                                The fact you went from admitting you didn't know about them to defending them in approximately 3 seconds makes me think that maybe you aren't being sincere when you say you don't just blindly support him.

                                The half dozen comments explicitly defending concentration camps and literally saying "Oh so just because he's expanding concentration traction camps suddenly he's a fascist" confirms that belief.

                                If my purity test of "don't expand concentration camps" is too extreme for liberals that's liberals problem not mine.

                              • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                                11 months ago

                                I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

                                • Telorand@reddthat.com
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                                  11 months ago

                                  "Look what you made me do!" —You

                                  Bullshit. That's abuser language. If you don't vote for Biden, it's because you made the choice not to. All I did was point out the shallow epistemology of a bunch of tankies from Hexbear.

                                          • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                                            11 months ago

                                            I wouldn't expect you, who are clearly working on behalf on the Trump campaign (and therefore PUTIN and RUZZIA) to have any capacity for shame.

                                              • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                                                11 months ago

                                                I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

                                                  • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                                                    11 months ago

                                                    I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

                      • GinAndJuche
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                        11 months ago

                        We aren’t claiming anything. We are pointing out that objectively he is worse. He ain’t called genocide Joe for nothing.

                      • Flinch [he/him]
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                        11 months ago

                        Sure, here you go

                        "None of which have been shut down by Biden. In fact, migrant detention has only increased under his regime"

                        Hope this helps

                  • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                    11 months ago

                    "Hate speech" lmao you're really on some Eve Fartlow shit. Nobody cares about your crocodile tears, genocide lover.

                    And who's acting like the fascist, here?

                    You, the one advocating for the ongoing genocide. PIGPOOPBALLS

                  • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                    11 months ago

                    I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

          • Adkml [he/him]
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            11 months ago

            We got a 1 comment folks.

            Always love to see how long it takes liberals to go from insisting we have to vote for him to literally telling us to go fuck ourselves, congratulations on setting the lowest possible score.

              • Adkml [he/him]
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                11 months ago

                Lmao yea were the lazy ones not the guy who said

                "you have to vote for Joe because reasons"

                "Those reasons are bulkshit and here's why"

                "Fuck you I'm not here to impress you"

                Liberals continue to be the worst electioneering on the face of the planet

                Remember this when you're telling yourself Biden lost because progressives didn't support him and remeber your solution to that was to tell us to fuck our selves and you don't care what we think

                  • Adkml [he/him]
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                    11 months ago

                    Right back at you buddy. Have fun somehow losing to a geriatric fascist for the second time in a decade while telling yourself it's everybody's fault but your own even though your voter outreach involves telling the people who's vote you need to go fuck themselves.

                    Let me know how simultaneously pissing off POC and Muslims works out for you in Michigan. You think your guy will actually campaign there this time?

                      • Adkml [he/him]
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                        11 months ago

                        Buddy it took you 3 seconds from finding grout about the concentration camps to falling all over yourself defending them.

                        You're gonna have to come up with a better campaign message then "I'm ok with concentration camps because I don't think that's fascism" if you want anyone to take you seriously.

                  • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                    11 months ago

                    I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

              • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                11 months ago

                I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

          • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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            11 months ago

            I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

        • Telorand@reddthat.com
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          11 months ago

          What exactly do you think the UN does? It has no power.

          Also: https://www.npr.org/2023/12/08/1218332312/israel-hamas-war-us-ceasefire-veto-un

          After the vote, the U.S. deputy representative to the U.N., Robert Wood, said the resolution was rushed and ignored U.S. diplomatic efforts to get more aid into Gaza and free hostages taken by Hamas militants in the Oct. 7 attack on Israel.

          "We propose language ... that would have reinforced the life-saving diplomacy we have undertaken since Oct. 7, increased opportunities for humanitarian aid to enter Gaza, encourage the release of hostages and the resumption of humanitarian pauses and laid a foundation for a durable peace," Wood said.

          "Unfortunately, nearly all of our recommendations were ignored."

          • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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            11 months ago

            The US still can stop military aid to Israel instead Biden is using his emergency powers to send them more weapons to kill Palestinians. Not to mention past ceasefires it vetoed. It obviously there will never be an agreeable ceasefire because the actions point to an intended genocide.

            “Biden admin uses emergency authority to approve tank shells sale to Israel” https://thehill.com/homenews/4352027-biden-us-tank-sale-israel-bypass-congress/

            • Telorand@reddthat.com
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              11 months ago

              The problem is it's not as simple as that. Hamas and Israel are at war. That's an undisputed fact.

              Israel is the US's ally. Also an undisputed fact.

              Joe Biden is an old politician and Catholic from an era where "Zion" is synonymous with Israel. Calling himself a Zionist, I suspect, is like calling himself a Christian with different words. But "Zionist" doesn't mean the same thing anymore, and I bet he doesn't fully grasp what he's identifying with in a modern sense.

              Additionally, and this is the political muck of it, were Israel's ally. Typically, you honor your alliances. I don't know why we're so gung ho about the middle east and Israel, but alliances seem to mean something to heads of state, even if you don't agree with the ally's tactics. I've never been a President, so I don't know what the political calculus is here, but I seriously doubt that genocide is Biden's goal.

              • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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                11 months ago

                Israel is the US's ally. Also an undisputed fact.

                Maybe allying with an ethnostate is part of the problem

                Typically, you honor your alliances

                Lol, the US doesn't give a shit about that

                Joe knows exactly what zionism is and always has: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2HZs-v0PR44

              • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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                11 months ago

                Israel does provide the US with strategic and geopolitical advantages. I would be okay if the US just came out and said that it doesn't care about human rights or war crimes, the issue for many of us is the clear hypocrisy in the response between Ukraine and Palestine. Biden and the Democratic Party should also accept that many people in the US care about human rights and Palestine.

                but I seriously doubt that genocide is Biden’s goal

                I don't. https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/

                Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding: “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.” The comments were striking from Begin, who had been notorious as a leader of the Irgun, a militant group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing accompanying the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre.

                  • Flinch [he/him]
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                    11 months ago

                    Do you have any response to the second half of this post, the part about Biden being enthusiastically on board with Palestinian genocide? Or are we ignoring that part to keep pretending he's not fascist?

                    • Flinch [he/him]
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                      11 months ago

                      He's never gonna reply, running dog confirmed (but we already knew that)

                    • Flinch [he/him]
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                      11 months ago

                      He has a tendency to do that, as the rest of the thread has shown. A lib with pig shit for brains, rolling in the mud and thinking so highly of himself for it.

                      🎶tale as old as time🎶

              • Hexagons [e/em/eir]
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                11 months ago

                But "Zionist" doesn't mean the same thing anymore, and I bet he doesn't fully grasp what he's identifying with in a modern sense.

                So we're in the position where a sitting US president is making speeches using words he doesn't understand? Wow, that does not seem great. Maybe we should have a president who knows what words mean, you know?

                Also, I have to admit, I don't care if someone has genocide as a goal or not. I care a bit more about their actions. Will a person's actions lead to more genocide? If so, then I think that person should be removed from power, immediately, regardless of what they think about genocide.

                • Telorand@reddthat.com
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                  11 months ago

                  So we're in the position where a sitting US president is making speeches using words he doesn't understand? Wow, that does not seem great. Maybe we should have a president who knows what words mean, you know?

                  I agree. But we're about four years too late for the next election. I don't think even a younger Bernie 2.0 would have enough time to build a successfully competing campaign.

          • 420stalin69
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            11 months ago

            The UN does have the power to impose sanctions and a ceasefire.

            That power is subject to veto by the US.

            Which vetoed it.

            You fucking moron.