• Telorand@reddthat.com
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    1 year ago

    You mean he'll also work to secure a temporary ceasefire to negotiate hostage returns, get humanitarian aid in, and allow civilians to escape?

    Wait, that doesn't sound like Trump...

        • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          What do you offer, besides a braindead binary reduction to make yourself feel morally superior?

          "Anyway, here's why you have to vote for the blue genocider instead of the red one" projection

          If I still had any illusions about the hollowness of liberal rhetoric in the face of actual ethnic cleansing, this would have dispelled them. You are all Good Little Germans through and through, and you'll be santimouniously goose-stepping into hell before you know it.

          Go find yourself a pit, and save the civillized people of the world the trouble of burying you in it.

            • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              pit NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE BLUE GUY WHO RUNS CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND SENDS WEAPONS TO NAZIS OR ELSE THE FASCISTS WILL WIN

              "The people outside looked from blue maga to red maga, and from red maga to blue maga, and from blue to red again; but already it was impossible to say which was which."

              Did I stutter, you fucking fascist dork? Remove yourself, preferrably from Earth but at least from the presence of human beings who have retained their souls.

                • Flinch [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  Every ICE detention center along our southern border meets the internationally recognized definition of a concentration camp. None of which have been shut down by Biden. In fact, migrant detention has only increased under his regime. It would behoove you to stop acting like a smug asshole.

                • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  "Hate speech" lmao you're really on some Eve Fartlow shit. Nobody cares about your crocodile tears, genocide lover.

                  And who's acting like the fascist, here?

                  You, the one advocating for the ongoing genocide. PIGPOOPBALLS

                • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

        • Adkml [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          We got a 1 comment folks.

          Always love to see how long it takes liberals to go from insisting we have to vote for him to literally telling us to go fuck ourselves, congratulations on setting the lowest possible score.

            • Adkml [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Lmao yea were the lazy ones not the guy who said

              "you have to vote for Joe because reasons"

              "Those reasons are bulkshit and here's why"

              "Fuck you I'm not here to impress you"

              Liberals continue to be the worst electioneering on the face of the planet

              Remember this when you're telling yourself Biden lost because progressives didn't support him and remeber your solution to that was to tell us to fuck our selves and you don't care what we think

                • Adkml [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  Right back at you buddy. Have fun somehow losing to a geriatric fascist for the second time in a decade while telling yourself it's everybody's fault but your own even though your voter outreach involves telling the people who's vote you need to go fuck themselves.

                  Let me know how simultaneously pissing off POC and Muslims works out for you in Michigan. You think your guy will actually campaign there this time?

                • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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                  1 year ago

                  I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

            • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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              1 year ago

              I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

        • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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          1 year ago

          I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

      • Telorand@reddthat.com
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        1 year ago

        What exactly do you think the UN does? It has no power.

        Also: https://www.npr.org/2023/12/08/1218332312/israel-hamas-war-us-ceasefire-veto-un

        After the vote, the U.S. deputy representative to the U.N., Robert Wood, said the resolution was rushed and ignored U.S. diplomatic efforts to get more aid into Gaza and free hostages taken by Hamas militants in the Oct. 7 attack on Israel.

        "We propose language ... that would have reinforced the life-saving diplomacy we have undertaken since Oct. 7, increased opportunities for humanitarian aid to enter Gaza, encourage the release of hostages and the resumption of humanitarian pauses and laid a foundation for a durable peace," Wood said.

        "Unfortunately, nearly all of our recommendations were ignored."

        • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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          1 year ago

          The US still can stop military aid to Israel instead Biden is using his emergency powers to send them more weapons to kill Palestinians. Not to mention past ceasefires it vetoed. It obviously there will never be an agreeable ceasefire because the actions point to an intended genocide.

          “Biden admin uses emergency authority to approve tank shells sale to Israel” https://thehill.com/homenews/4352027-biden-us-tank-sale-israel-bypass-congress/

          • Telorand@reddthat.com
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            1 year ago

            The problem is it's not as simple as that. Hamas and Israel are at war. That's an undisputed fact.

            Israel is the US's ally. Also an undisputed fact.

            Joe Biden is an old politician and Catholic from an era where "Zion" is synonymous with Israel. Calling himself a Zionist, I suspect, is like calling himself a Christian with different words. But "Zionist" doesn't mean the same thing anymore, and I bet he doesn't fully grasp what he's identifying with in a modern sense.

            Additionally, and this is the political muck of it, were Israel's ally. Typically, you honor your alliances. I don't know why we're so gung ho about the middle east and Israel, but alliances seem to mean something to heads of state, even if you don't agree with the ally's tactics. I've never been a President, so I don't know what the political calculus is here, but I seriously doubt that genocide is Biden's goal.

            • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Israel is the US's ally. Also an undisputed fact.

              Maybe allying with an ethnostate is part of the problem

              Typically, you honor your alliances

              Lol, the US doesn't give a shit about that

              Joe knows exactly what zionism is and always has: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2HZs-v0PR44

            • تحريرها كلها ممكن@lemmy.ml
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              1 year ago

              Israel does provide the US with strategic and geopolitical advantages. I would be okay if the US just came out and said that it doesn't care about human rights or war crimes, the issue for many of us is the clear hypocrisy in the response between Ukraine and Palestine. Biden and the Democratic Party should also accept that many people in the US care about human rights and Palestine.

              but I seriously doubt that genocide is Biden’s goal

              I don't. https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-israeli-invasion-lebanon/

              Begin said he was shocked at how passionately Biden supported Israel’s invasion when Biden “said he would go even further than Israel, adding that he’d forcefully fend off anyone who sought to invade his country, even if that meant killing women or children.” Begin said, “I disassociated myself from these remarks,” adding: “I said to him: No, sir; attention must be paid. According to our values, it is forbidden to hurt women and children, even in war. Sometimes there are casualties among the civilian population as well. But it is forbidden to aspire to this. This is a yardstick of human civilization, not to hurt civilians.” The comments were striking from Begin, who had been notorious as a leader of the Irgun, a militant group that carried out some of the worst acts of ethnic cleansing accompanying the creation of the state of Israel, including the 1948 Deir Yassin massacre.

                • Flinch [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  Do you have any response to the second half of this post, the part about Biden being enthusiastically on board with Palestinian genocide? Or are we ignoring that part to keep pretending he's not fascist?

                  • Flinch [he/him]
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                    1 year ago

                    He's never gonna reply, running dog confirmed (but we already knew that)

                  • Flinch [he/him]
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                    1 year ago

                    He has a tendency to do that, as the rest of the thread has shown. A lib with pig shit for brains, rolling in the mud and thinking so highly of himself for it.

                    🎶tale as old as time🎶

            • Hexagons [e/em/eir]
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              1 year ago

              But "Zionist" doesn't mean the same thing anymore, and I bet he doesn't fully grasp what he's identifying with in a modern sense.

              So we're in the position where a sitting US president is making speeches using words he doesn't understand? Wow, that does not seem great. Maybe we should have a president who knows what words mean, you know?

              Also, I have to admit, I don't care if someone has genocide as a goal or not. I care a bit more about their actions. Will a person's actions lead to more genocide? If so, then I think that person should be removed from power, immediately, regardless of what they think about genocide.

              • Telorand@reddthat.com
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                1 year ago

                So we're in the position where a sitting US president is making speeches using words he doesn't understand? Wow, that does not seem great. Maybe we should have a president who knows what words mean, you know?

                I agree. But we're about four years too late for the next election. I don't think even a younger Bernie 2.0 would have enough time to build a successfully competing campaign.

        • 420stalin69
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          1 year ago

          The UN does have the power to impose sanctions and a ceasefire.

          That power is subject to veto by the US.

          Which vetoed it.

          You fucking moron.