I think I’ve identified a key point of disagreement. You value shorter run times. I am the opposite. 3 hours min given the price point. Also, longer movies get to tell more complex stories and ought to be encouraged. Example: the last duel.
Different movies should be edited different and there isn't a universally good movie length. Something like star wars should be 90 minutes to 2 hours. I can vibe with a long movie but I don't think it's how they all should be
I think I under appreciated your point earlier. Upon further reflection, I am projecting my own desire for what could have been upon what was.
Lucas didn’t give a shit about the EU. I was just coping and he probably did it for the sheer sake of more sales and getting fro play with new CGI toys.
Thank you for pushing back. Sometimes the best way to find the truth is being told you’re wrong.
I’ll die on the the hill that the smuggler elements are good content though.
I have been imagining the atsr wars prequels, andor and the OT being a TV series and written by J Micheal Strazynski (Babylon 5, if you haven't, watch it, you will have a hard time getting hooked cause season 1 is half pleasing the network and half setup, the plot for the first 4 seasons was planned 5 years before they started filming, the dude was a sociology and history Guy and wrote EVERY episode after season 2, it's like the premise of ds9 with the depths of The Wire). Really do a slow burn, make the entire galaxy real in a way the EU is also too Lucas Brained for. Just basically Andor it up the whole way through and really make it about the Space Politics. I don't give a shit about Jedi, keep em in the background or don't even use them.
I'm not a Star Wars Fan aside from the first movie and Andor, those are super close to my heart. The rest of the OT used to be, Empire actually fell in my regard on a rewatch this week. The pacing of that movie has fucking issues. The first scene is Luke talking to Han over a radio and then being smacked by a yeti, there is no place setting at all, no knowledge of where the characters are since we last saw them both physically and development wise, cause Luke has learned a bit more jedi shit and Han has apparently stuck around with the rebellion for a while and it's just kinda dumped in our laps. It's 14 minutes in that Han is slicing into TonTon. Then it's FOREVER with Luke with Yoda and the falcon gang in the asteroid belt and then worm. It also seems like Luke spends months with Yoda while the rest of the cast spend days evading the Empire but it's the same hard to define frame of time. All of it is full of great stuff but how it's put together is really jarring, the wipe and button cuts add to this effect. So although this sounds like a contradiction, Empire could have stood to slow down. Could have been the same length but maybe kept a more gradual beginning have the battle of hoth be a third of the way into the movie instead of 20 minutes in, then the slow down after is briefer. The cloud city stuff also feels rushed. Cut the asteroid worm stuff, add more cloud city and establish Lando better and imply they stay there for longer so Luke's training is implied to have taken place over more than a week. I think the first movie non special edition is perfectly paced and an overall almost flawless movie for me, but I'm weird and like short and slow movies and 70s weird indie shit is that and the first Star Wars is thst kind of film making on a high budget. Empire is the fast paced Hollywood version. I had thought Empire was better but Star Wars was my fave. As of two days ago I just think Star Wars is better.
It adds an unnecessary scene to the run time. It was a smart chop.
I think I’ve identified a key point of disagreement. You value shorter run times. I am the opposite. 3 hours min given the price point. Also, longer movies get to tell more complex stories and ought to be encouraged. Example: the last duel.
Different movies should be edited different and there isn't a universally good movie length. Something like star wars should be 90 minutes to 2 hours. I can vibe with a long movie but I don't think it's how they all should be
I think I under appreciated your point earlier. Upon further reflection, I am projecting my own desire for what could have been upon what was.
Lucas didn’t give a shit about the EU. I was just coping and he probably did it for the sheer sake of more sales and getting fro play with new CGI toys.
Thank you for pushing back. Sometimes the best way to find the truth is being told you’re wrong.
I’ll die on the the hill that the smuggler elements are good content though.
I have been imagining the atsr wars prequels, andor and the OT being a TV series and written by J Micheal Strazynski (Babylon 5, if you haven't, watch it, you will have a hard time getting hooked cause season 1 is half pleasing the network and half setup, the plot for the first 4 seasons was planned 5 years before they started filming, the dude was a sociology and history Guy and wrote EVERY episode after season 2, it's like the premise of ds9 with the depths of The Wire). Really do a slow burn, make the entire galaxy real in a way the EU is also too Lucas Brained for. Just basically Andor it up the whole way through and really make it about the Space Politics. I don't give a shit about Jedi, keep em in the background or don't even use them.
I'm not a Star Wars Fan aside from the first movie and Andor, those are super close to my heart. The rest of the OT used to be, Empire actually fell in my regard on a rewatch this week. The pacing of that movie has fucking issues. The first scene is Luke talking to Han over a radio and then being smacked by a yeti, there is no place setting at all, no knowledge of where the characters are since we last saw them both physically and development wise, cause Luke has learned a bit more jedi shit and Han has apparently stuck around with the rebellion for a while and it's just kinda dumped in our laps. It's 14 minutes in that Han is slicing into TonTon. Then it's FOREVER with Luke with Yoda and the falcon gang in the asteroid belt and then worm. It also seems like Luke spends months with Yoda while the rest of the cast spend days evading the Empire but it's the same hard to define frame of time. All of it is full of great stuff but how it's put together is really jarring, the wipe and button cuts add to this effect. So although this sounds like a contradiction, Empire could have stood to slow down. Could have been the same length but maybe kept a more gradual beginning have the battle of hoth be a third of the way into the movie instead of 20 minutes in, then the slow down after is briefer. The cloud city stuff also feels rushed. Cut the asteroid worm stuff, add more cloud city and establish Lando better and imply they stay there for longer so Luke's training is implied to have taken place over more than a week. I think the first movie non special edition is perfectly paced and an overall almost flawless movie for me, but I'm weird and like short and slow movies and 70s weird indie shit is that and the first Star Wars is thst kind of film making on a high budget. Empire is the fast paced Hollywood version. I had thought Empire was better but Star Wars was my fave. As of two days ago I just think Star Wars is better.