Like most people joke about a civil war, but I could genuinely see it happening. The white petite bourgeois is so fucking insane right now I could see them pushing for it. Remember the last civil war really was just as goofy from a material perspective, the northern libs really really didn't want to abolish slavery, all they wanted was to renegotiate a new power sharing agreement between the northern ruling class and the southern. But the southerners were so fucking batshit insane anything other than 1000% southern interests was white genocide. It was only really the act of war that gave abolitionists actual power to force northerner whites to be descent human beings and abolish slavery. Like modern libs want so desperately for the conservatives to like tone down fascism by like 1 degree so they can keep the capitalism machine ticking over. Just look at how the dems are basically giving Republicans their dream crime against humanity on the border just so they can get them to pay for their other crimes against humanity. And yet the conservatives are still too insane to take a victory.
I don’t think the civil war was completely nonmaterial. The slaveholding south was genuinely scared of even the moderate abolitionism espoused by Lincoln who wanted western states to be free states. This would tip the scales in congress in favor of free states in time, allowing for the abolition of slavery by law. The slaveholding south saw their power eroding, which is why every compromise for new states was extremely contentious and why Kansas ended up in civil war in the lead up to the real civil war. So I don’t know how correct it is to say the south left for no reason, since Lincoln really did represent a threat to their interests (albeit an extremely moderate one)
I didn't mean to imply non material or without reason, but the reaction to Lincolns election was way out of proportion to the potential limits that were to be put on slavery. The idea that without infinite growth slavery would be abolished is very much a unchallenged assumption of the, very deranged, slave holders themselves. The infinitely more likely possible outcome is slavery.being in someway limited to one of the previous demarcation lines, and then it literally never being abolished. The north had to be dragged kicking and screaming to abolition, and then the quick abandonment of reconstruction shows even that acceptance wacw grudging.
Like most people joke about a civil war, but I could genuinely see it happening. The white petite bourgeois is so fucking insane right now I could see them pushing for it. Remember the last civil war really was just as goofy from a material perspective, the northern libs really really didn't want to abolish slavery, all they wanted was to renegotiate a new power sharing agreement between the northern ruling class and the southern. But the southerners were so fucking batshit insane anything other than 1000% southern interests was white genocide. It was only really the act of war that gave abolitionists actual power to force northerner whites to be descent human beings and abolish slavery. Like modern libs want so desperately for the conservatives to like tone down fascism by like 1 degree so they can keep the capitalism machine ticking over. Just look at how the dems are basically giving Republicans their dream crime against humanity on the border just so they can get them to pay for their other crimes against humanity. And yet the conservatives are still too insane to take a victory.
I don’t think the civil war was completely nonmaterial. The slaveholding south was genuinely scared of even the moderate abolitionism espoused by Lincoln who wanted western states to be free states. This would tip the scales in congress in favor of free states in time, allowing for the abolition of slavery by law. The slaveholding south saw their power eroding, which is why every compromise for new states was extremely contentious and why Kansas ended up in civil war in the lead up to the real civil war. So I don’t know how correct it is to say the south left for no reason, since Lincoln really did represent a threat to their interests (albeit an extremely moderate one)
I didn't mean to imply non material or without reason, but the reaction to Lincolns election was way out of proportion to the potential limits that were to be put on slavery. The idea that without infinite growth slavery would be abolished is very much a unchallenged assumption of the, very deranged, slave holders themselves. The infinitely more likely possible outcome is slavery.being in someway limited to one of the previous demarcation lines, and then it literally never being abolished. The north had to be dragged kicking and screaming to abolition, and then the quick abandonment of reconstruction shows even that acceptance wacw grudging.