Ceasefire is cool and all, but it doesnt even begin to start the path to justice. So many of the world's "leaders" need to be charged for their complicity in this genocide. They have let this shit go on for the better part of a century. They've always known what a genocidal country Isntreal is.
Yeah. Ceasefire is the 'reform the police' to justice's "abolish the police". The Israeli state as it is currently constituted needs to be dismantled. Idk where you'd even start trying to do some kindo f truth and reconciliation thing to deprogram all the fash in Israel.
Calling to cut off US funding is a better position than "ceasefire". It is a clear demand of the actual domestic government behind which anyone that things of them as left can rally (pr be lobbied to rally). It poses an actual threat to Israel as well and will elicit strong reactions if it can be made to grow. It also suggests direct actions re: arms manufacturers and logistics. It will also be evergreen until and if the US revokes support for Israel, therefore providing a cause around which to organize beyond the current bombing and invasion campaign.
Ceasefire rhetoric will be useless the moment a ceasefire is declared and is even counterproductive, as any ceasefire will inevitably be broken and there are many scenarios where we would then be on the back foot. (1) Israel breaks the ceasefire but blames it on Hamas or whatever. We now have to explain media literacy to everyone in order to implicitly defend why a ceasefire is good rather than why Israel is inherently an oppressive project. (2) Palestinian groups break the ceasefire to engage in actions in the spirit of liberation, as in the al-Aqsa flood, and you now have to either contradict yourself and say actually now we don't want a ceasefire or you have to reject the fight for liberation and feed into imperialist rhetoric.
PS: we shouldn't let a pile of random zoomers have better takes on Palestine than us lol. We should be radicalizing and incorporating them, not alienating them by copying milquetoast SocDems imperialists.
I mean, if he said “cut off funding” period, I would agree. But he deliberately said for “Netanyahu’s illegal war” which is very much an attempt at saying ceasefire without uttering the word, so this is effectively the same. It takes the liberal Zionist approach of trying to frame the more “quiet” ethnic cleansing of Palestine pre-October 7 as an acceptable status quo while using Netanyahu as a scapegoat.
Even if Bernie had to take a Zionist approach which doesn’t broach the topic of Israel’s inherent existence being genocidal, he could at least focus on the occupation itself and Israel’s continued arrogance at brushing off even the pretense of a Palestinian state. Point being that it’s not ideal but it would be a good next step.
But he deliberately said for “Netanyahu’s illegal war” which is very much an attempt at saying ceasefire without uttering the word, so this is effectively the same. It takes the liberal Zionist approach of trying to frame the more “quiet” ethnic cleansing of Palestine pre-October 7 as an acceptable status quo while using Netanyahu as a scapegoat.
Exactly, libs have been doing this shit where they redirect their Trump derangement onto Netanyahu in order to whitewash the inherent crime of existing as a genocidal apartheid state
not interested in a thing this man says that doesn't include the word "ceasefire"
Ceasefire is cool and all, but it doesnt even begin to start the path to justice. So many of the world's "leaders" need to be charged for their complicity in this genocide. They have let this shit go on for the better part of a century. They've always known what a genocidal country Isntreal is.
Yeah. Ceasefire is the 'reform the police' to justice's "abolish the police". The Israeli state as it is currently constituted needs to be dismantled. Idk where you'd even start trying to do some kindo f truth and reconciliation thing to deprogram all the fash in Israel.
Nothing wrong with calling for cutting off U.S. funding.
Calling to cut off US funding is a better position than "ceasefire". It is a clear demand of the actual domestic government behind which anyone that things of them as left can rally (pr be lobbied to rally). It poses an actual threat to Israel as well and will elicit strong reactions if it can be made to grow. It also suggests direct actions re: arms manufacturers and logistics. It will also be evergreen until and if the US revokes support for Israel, therefore providing a cause around which to organize beyond the current bombing and invasion campaign.
Ceasefire rhetoric will be useless the moment a ceasefire is declared and is even counterproductive, as any ceasefire will inevitably be broken and there are many scenarios where we would then be on the back foot. (1) Israel breaks the ceasefire but blames it on Hamas or whatever. We now have to explain media literacy to everyone in order to implicitly defend why a ceasefire is good rather than why Israel is inherently an oppressive project. (2) Palestinian groups break the ceasefire to engage in actions in the spirit of liberation, as in the al-Aqsa flood, and you now have to either contradict yourself and say actually now we don't want a ceasefire or you have to reject the fight for liberation and feed into imperialist rhetoric.
PS: we shouldn't let a pile of random zoomers have better takes on Palestine than us lol. We should be radicalizing and incorporating them, not alienating them by copying milquetoast SocDems imperialists.
I mean, if he said “cut off funding” period, I would agree. But he deliberately said for “Netanyahu’s illegal war” which is very much an attempt at saying ceasefire without uttering the word, so this is effectively the same. It takes the liberal Zionist approach of trying to frame the more “quiet” ethnic cleansing of Palestine pre-October 7 as an acceptable status quo while using Netanyahu as a scapegoat.
Even if Bernie had to take a Zionist approach which doesn’t broach the topic of Israel’s inherent existence being genocidal, he could at least focus on the occupation itself and Israel’s continued arrogance at brushing off even the pretense of a Palestinian state. Point being that it’s not ideal but it would be a good next step.
Exactly, libs have been doing this shit where they redirect their Trump derangement onto Netanyahu in order to whitewash the inherent crime of
existing as a genocidal apartheid state
Well yeah Bernie's thing is weak and he's way too late with this.