UN claims around 10k civilians died since '22, on both sides, and i would expect them to rather enlarge the number because Russia bad.
I mean, the game in Palestine is to insist everyone in the building you demolished was a terrorist. Same with Iraq/Afghanistan. There's also an impulse to minimize Ukrainian casualties - both civilian and military - because the running message is "Russia keeps firing rockets at us, but our missile shield catches them all so everything is actually fine". The constant narrative I see on places like Threads and Reddit is that Russian artillery doesn't do anything and Ukrainians all stay winning.
So you decided to accept their most extremist line of Russia doing genocide
Again, I'm hard pressed to believe you can do a war at the industrial scale and avoid a genocide. If nothing else, the mass displacement and the horrid conditions of the hundreds of thousands of refugees from the region comes close enough up to the line not to make a material difference.
The constant narrative I see on places like Threads and Reddit is that Russian artillery doesn’t do anything and Ukrainians all stay winning.
And at the same time they say there is unlimited genocide by Russia. You should easily recognize typical "enemy is weak and strong at the same time" nazi rhetoric.
I mean, the game in Palestine is to insist everyone in the building you demolished was a terrorist. Same with Iraq/Afghanistan.
Again you are coming out of baseless assumption that Russia wage war same as Israel and USA, where there are tons of proof they are not, and they have the same target as those where there is obvious they are not.
Again, I’m hard pressed to believe you can do a war at the industrial scale and avoid a genocide.
Genocide is not just when civilians die.
If nothing else, the mass displacement and the horrid conditions of the hundreds of thousands of refugees from the region comes close enough up to the line not to make a material difference.
By this metric every single war ever was a genocide.
And at the same time they say there is unlimited genocide by Russia.
Sure. I've seen people claiming that the Russian military murdered everyone in Crimea. Any territory Russia actually occupies gets retconned as "everyone dead" in the same way that we get a periodic "in China / Cuba / North Korea / Venezuela, everyone has starved to death and these countries are now empty".
Again you are coming out of baseless assumption that Russia wage war same as Israel and USA
Hardly baseless. Two wars in Chechnya and their support for Syria back in 2015 suggest they war just like everyone else.
Genocide is not just when civilians die.
I did not suggest that was the definition.
By this metric every single war ever was a genocide.
I mean, the game in Palestine is to insist everyone in the building you demolished was a terrorist. Same with Iraq/Afghanistan. There's also an impulse to minimize Ukrainian casualties - both civilian and military - because the running message is "Russia keeps firing rockets at us, but our missile shield catches them all so everything is actually fine". The constant narrative I see on places like Threads and Reddit is that Russian artillery doesn't do anything and Ukrainians all stay winning.
Again, I'm hard pressed to believe you can do a war at the industrial scale and avoid a genocide. If nothing else, the mass displacement and the horrid conditions of the hundreds of thousands of refugees from the region comes close enough up to the line not to make a material difference.
And at the same time they say there is unlimited genocide by Russia. You should easily recognize typical "enemy is weak and strong at the same time" nazi rhetoric.
Again you are coming out of baseless assumption that Russia wage war same as Israel and USA, where there are tons of proof they are not, and they have the same target as those where there is obvious they are not.
Genocide is not just when civilians die.
By this metric every single war ever was a genocide.
Sure. I've seen people claiming that the Russian military murdered everyone in Crimea. Any territory Russia actually occupies gets retconned as "everyone dead" in the same way that we get a periodic "in China / Cuba / North Korea / Venezuela, everyone has starved to death and these countries are now empty".
Hardly baseless. Two wars in Chechnya and their support for Syria back in 2015 suggest they war just like everyone else.
I did not suggest that was the definition.