I'm not pretending my favorite interpretation is the only one that exists? I never said that and I'm very open to discussing different interpretations. But taking Revelations at face value as an authority on anything isn't very well supported academically or theologically either and that site's list of verses didn't even match the alleged theme so I was kinda doubting its credibility. It's even open to interpretation whether that verse is referring to God or someone/thing else. Just saying, Revelations sucks. Its 'interpretation' of God's appearance in those verses, if we assume it's God, literally doesn't exist anywhere else in the Bible, which is a significant point because it is not a view shared with either Judaism or Islam, nor even within Christianity generally. So, it's just one book's interpretation and one which was unpopular. I don't think that justifies extrapolating it to make a claim about the "Abrahamic" God's appearance.
Anyway, not trying to argue with you or rehash the classic internet religion debate, and I'm sorry if it came off as an attack but you mentioned a description of God's alleged appearance in "Abrahamic" religions, in what I know was a joke, but then someoned asked about its validity Biblically and then you responded with something not quite accurate Biblically speaking so I just wanted to add a point of clarification. Maybe it would've just been better to respond to GarbageShoot but just thought it would be good to keep the thread linear.
further excerpts which attribute features of appearance to god:
Exodus 33:18-22
And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my FACE: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away את my hand, and you shall see my BACK PARTS: but my FACE shall not be seen.
Daniel 7:9
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Revelation 4:2-3
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.
26 And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire,[e] and seated above the likeness of the throne was something that seemed like a human form. 27 Upward from what appeared like the loins I saw something like gleaming amber, something that looked like fire enclosed all around, and downward from what looked like the loins I saw something that looked like fire, and there was a splendor all around. 28 Like the bow in a cloud on a rainy day, such was the appearance of the splendor all around. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.
Whatever, dude. You're either not getting or just ignoring my point. You don't have to believe in the Bible nor am I proselytizing to you absolutely anything, in fact I agree the Bible is wildly contradictory, but we can always learn to be more accurate and knowledgable when we do speak on any subject.
Okay, I think from this that you're just not getting my point, which is fine, and I'm sorry again if I am writing any of this in an argumentative way because I'm sincerely not trying to attack you or argue and get heated. I think we agree on some things, I just think if you ask Muslims or Jews, even Christians, if that description in Revelations matches how they view God the answer will probably be No.
But, anyway, I'm respectfully not going to continue this discussion on your other points because this probably isn't the appropriate place for it in the first place nor do I think it's going to de-escalate by going further. I was just putting that out there for others' edification but I'm still happy to continue the conversation with you elsewhere if you'd like.
I'm not pretending my favorite interpretation is the only one that exists? I never said that and I'm very open to discussing different interpretations. But taking Revelations at face value as an authority on anything isn't very well supported academically or theologically either and that site's list of verses didn't even match the alleged theme so I was kinda doubting its credibility. It's even open to interpretation whether that verse is referring to God or someone/thing else. Just saying, Revelations sucks. Its 'interpretation' of God's appearance in those verses, if we assume it's God, literally doesn't exist anywhere else in the Bible, which is a significant point because it is not a view shared with either Judaism or Islam, nor even within Christianity generally. So, it's just one book's interpretation and one which was unpopular. I don't think that justifies extrapolating it to make a claim about the "Abrahamic" God's appearance.
Anyway, not trying to argue with you or rehash the classic internet religion debate, and I'm sorry if it came off as an attack but you mentioned a description of God's alleged appearance in "Abrahamic" religions, in what I know was a joke, but then someoned asked about its validity Biblically and then you responded with something not quite accurate Biblically speaking so I just wanted to add a point of clarification. Maybe it would've just been better to respond to GarbageShoot but just thought it would be good to keep the thread linear.
further excerpts which attribute features of appearance to god:
Exodus 33:18-22
And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
19 And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the Lord before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
20 And he said, Thou canst not see my FACE: for there shall no man see me, and live.
21 And the Lord said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
22 And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
23 And I will take away את my hand, and you shall see my BACK PARTS: but my FACE shall not be seen.
Daniel 7:9
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of Days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Revelation 4:2-3
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.
26 And above the dome over their heads there was something like a throne, in appearance like sapphire,[e] and seated above the likeness of the throne was something that seemed like a human form. 27 Upward from what appeared like the loins I saw something like gleaming amber, something that looked like fire enclosed all around, and downward from what looked like the loins I saw something that looked like fire, and there was a splendor all around. 28 Like the bow in a cloud on a rainy day, such was the appearance of the splendor all around. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezek.+1-3%3B+8%3A1%E2%80%933%3B+10&version=NRSVUE
'not quite accurate' lmfaoooo its literally from the bible, its literally as accurate as anything else from the bible
Whatever, dude. You're either not getting or just ignoring my point. You don't have to believe in the Bible nor am I proselytizing to you absolutely anything, in fact I agree the Bible is wildly contradictory, but we can always learn to be more accurate and knowledgable when we do speak on any subject.
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Okay, I think from this that you're just not getting my point, which is fine, and I'm sorry again if I am writing any of this in an argumentative way because I'm sincerely not trying to attack you or argue and get heated. I think we agree on some things, I just think if you ask Muslims or Jews, even Christians, if that description in Revelations matches how they view God the answer will probably be No.
But, anyway, I'm respectfully not going to continue this discussion on your other points because this probably isn't the appropriate place for it in the first place nor do I think it's going to de-escalate by going further. I was just putting that out there for others' edification but I'm still happy to continue the conversation with you elsewhere if you'd like.