Inspired by recent discussions, I think Hexbear has a lot of good information about socialism but I wonder if the relentless defense of AES on Hexbear means shooting ourselves in the foot, since many potential leftists have been thoroughly primed to react negatively to AES states?

We’re not getting our messages out when progressive instances have already pre-emptively blocked us and calling us “tankies”.

People are being turned away without even taking the opportunity to read some of the stuff here, because they already have a pre-conceived notion about Hexbear being filled with “crazy tankies who defend totalitarianism”.

I know there have been a lot of propaganda and fabrication being perpetuated about socialist countries, and it feels “right” to defend them against these false accusations, but I wonder if this is doing more harm than good for the present day nascent socialist movement, at least in the Western countries?

We can remain on the current course and feel indignant about the tankie accusations, but will forever remain as a niche “tankie” community.

Or, we can open ourselves up, by toning down the admiration for the socialist states so we are not being treated as hostile by the other instances, and thus opening up the opportunities to have productive interactions with users (and potential leftists) from other instances?

(I do have my own position, you probably know which one it is, but I’m willing to hear from others and reevaluate my own opinions if needed).

EDIT: Thanks to everyone who responded. All points are well taken. Thank you.

  • IzyaKatzmann [he/him]
    hexbear
    20
    5 months ago

    this is sorta where my mind is at right now; mostly based on vibes not hard data

    • BynarsAreOk [none/use name]
      hexbear
      11
      edit-2
      5 months ago

      I agree with the first comment too and specifically I think the "data" is there, you can look back at the past struggle sessions on China(China is a police state because it handled Xinjiang like the US post 9/11 was a particularly stupid one) and the first few news megathreads of the Ukraine war. We had a lot of "feel good" leftists that were not ready to pick sides and for which the only comment on these issues was "war bad" and "Russia bad because war bad".

      They eventually all left on their own or they've accepted the mainstream discourse we have now.