I have a Wooting and it was world changing for me in games. The difference in actuation is extremely noticeable, not having to fully lift a key to reach "off" state in particular translates to 3-4 frames of gameplay at 60fps or 60-70ms or so if you prefer that way to look at it. 4 frames is A LOT in terms of engagements that are won or lost based on which person acted faster.
I've used reds in the past and hated them because I do a tonne of typing and reds felt absolutely awful to type with. I'm typing right now on a wooting and there's nothing wrong with it though.
Part of it might be the way they care about the keyboards too though. All their keyboards come with lubricated switches which must be a hand-built process.
Clicky switches are still better for typing imo, a membrane or nice tactile response just works better for it. But this is very serviceable for typing while having the advantages of no resistance for gaming.
The software for their keyboards is also leaps and bounds better than anything else I've ever seen.
So yeah. Personally I don't think this company is a gimmick. This was an interesting perspective though. If you get the chance to try one without paying (expensive) I do recommend trying one. They're smooooooth.
I think I need to read more into the way that these switches they use work. I definitely can see 3-4 frames being a big deal in situations. I'm not great at competative stuff where it really matters so it's not something I super focus on.
Pssst, I also don't fully get the trend with reds and really do think it's part of the gimmick. With that said, I am sitting on a set of Choc reds that I'm gonna put into something at sometimes and hate, just like what happened when I build my Sweep36 with Choc Robins(clickies with a slightly heavier spring).
Also I cannot express this enough but factory lubed switches are great. My Everglide Oreos in my ortho boards and my Choc Sunsets in both my Cantor Remixes and my Ferris Sweep all came factory lubed and it's just not something I wanna deal with myself lol. It's a meltdown waiting to happen.
I did check that their software is on github and wonder how it differs from QMK(what I use technically).
Also I wasn't meaning Wooting is a gimmick, I was referring to Corsair and Steel Series and boards like that. I'm really gonna try and keep an eye on them and see where they go. I appreciate you putting them on my radar. Me no good at conveying what I mean sometimes lol.
I think in the end of the day it's how they feel really. If Awoo likes them than awesome.
I never see anyone talk about my favorite MX style switch and think that anyone who likes Pandas or U4Ts should at least check them out at the very least(EG Oreo).
I think in the end of the day it's how they feel really. If Awoo likes them than awesome.
Oh for sure, I'm sure hall effect switches feel much different than regular linears, and more options is always a good thing in this space.
I never see anyone talk about my favorite MX style switch and think that anyone who likes Pandas or U4Ts should at least check them out at the very least(EG Oreo).
I just got into tactiles recently when I finally put in my Magic Girl SP-Stars and I really enjoy them. I'll definitely check out the EG Oreos when I get the chance to.
I think I need to read more into the way that these switches they use work. I definitely can see 3-4 frames being a big deal in situations. I'm not great at competative stuff where it really matters so it's not something I super focus on.
This is the important difference: https://wooting.io/rapid-trigger
When you lift, to any amount, it is "off". You can then press back in to be "on". It's very very noticeable.
You know how with a joystick if you press all the way left and then press all the way right there's all the space in between? Compared with pressing ADADADAD for strafing, a keyboard is just better for strafing than a joystick is in this regard because there's less input time between moving the joystick left/right/left/right.
Well for me this different between lifting a key and pressing it again is the same. You're removing all the time in lifting the key before pressing it again, which sounds like a minor optimisation on paper but in practice you feel it a lot.
I think this video explains very well: https://youtu.be/BSlKt7m7xXk
Ok, I think I misunderstood what rapid trigger was. My bad, sorry lol. I'd have to play around on a keyboard to get the feel for it. If I am reading it correctly, the switches aren't really drop in replacements for other MX based boards.
This makes sense. I'd like to compare them sometime but donno if money will ever dictate that. I literally can't type on a row stagger board anymore so It'd have to be the switches in a home built board. Gonna keep them in mind for if I ever get to making my gaming pad.
Fascinating. I didn't expect so much.
I have a Wooting and it was world changing for me in games. The difference in actuation is extremely noticeable, not having to fully lift a key to reach "off" state in particular translates to 3-4 frames of gameplay at 60fps or 60-70ms or so if you prefer that way to look at it. 4 frames is A LOT in terms of engagements that are won or lost based on which person acted faster.
I've used reds in the past and hated them because I do a tonne of typing and reds felt absolutely awful to type with. I'm typing right now on a wooting and there's nothing wrong with it though.
Part of it might be the way they care about the keyboards too though. All their keyboards come with lubricated switches which must be a hand-built process.
Clicky switches are still better for typing imo, a membrane or nice tactile response just works better for it. But this is very serviceable for typing while having the advantages of no resistance for gaming.
The software for their keyboards is also leaps and bounds better than anything else I've ever seen.
So yeah. Personally I don't think this company is a gimmick. This was an interesting perspective though. If you get the chance to try one without paying (expensive) I do recommend trying one. They're smooooooth.
I think I need to read more into the way that these switches they use work. I definitely can see 3-4 frames being a big deal in situations. I'm not great at competative stuff where it really matters so it's not something I super focus on.
Pssst, I also don't fully get the trend with reds and really do think it's part of the gimmick. With that said, I am sitting on a set of Choc reds that I'm gonna put into something at sometimes and hate, just like what happened when I build my Sweep36 with Choc Robins(clickies with a slightly heavier spring).
Also I cannot express this enough but factory lubed switches are great. My Everglide Oreos in my ortho boards and my Choc Sunsets in both my Cantor Remixes and my Ferris Sweep all came factory lubed and it's just not something I wanna deal with myself lol. It's a meltdown waiting to happen.
I did check that their software is on github and wonder how it differs from QMK(what I use technically).
Also I wasn't meaning Wooting is a gimmick, I was referring to Corsair and Steel Series and boards like that. I'm really gonna try and keep an eye on them and see where they go. I appreciate you putting them on my radar. Me no good at conveying what I mean sometimes lol.
From a quick look, it seems like their 'lekker' switches are hall effect switches. In essence they can be fully analog.
It's definitely a really cool and interesting development for switches, but I still personally find them to be a bit gimmicky in concept.
I think in the end of the day it's how they feel really. If Awoo likes them than awesome.
I never see anyone talk about my favorite MX style switch and think that anyone who likes Pandas or U4Ts should at least check them out at the very least(EG Oreo).
Oh for sure, I'm sure hall effect switches feel much different than regular linears, and more options is always a good thing in this space.
I just got into tactiles recently when I finally put in my Magic Girl SP-Stars and I really enjoy them. I'll definitely check out the EG Oreos when I get the chance to.
Also I'll try and get to your other comment when I get back home. If you have design exp I might wanna pick your brain.
This is the important difference: https://wooting.io/rapid-trigger
When you lift, to any amount, it is "off". You can then press back in to be "on". It's very very noticeable.
You know how with a joystick if you press all the way left and then press all the way right there's all the space in between? Compared with pressing ADADADAD for strafing, a keyboard is just better for strafing than a joystick is in this regard because there's less input time between moving the joystick left/right/left/right.
Well for me this different between lifting a key and pressing it again is the same. You're removing all the time in lifting the key before pressing it again, which sounds like a minor optimisation on paper but in practice you feel it a lot.
I think this video explains very well: https://youtu.be/BSlKt7m7xXk
Ok, I think I misunderstood what rapid trigger was. My bad, sorry lol. I'd have to play around on a keyboard to get the feel for it. If I am reading it correctly, the switches aren't really drop in replacements for other MX based boards.
This makes sense. I'd like to compare them sometime but donno if money will ever dictate that. I literally can't type on a row stagger board anymore so It'd have to be the switches in a home built board. Gonna keep them in mind for if I ever get to making my gaming pad.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy: