Shows the never-Trumper movement does actually exist
I don't think that's accurate at all. I think the people voting for Haley are entirely different from the Never-Trump movement. Years ago Never Trump people like David Frum and Bill Kristol started to appear on MSNBC all the time. I don't remember when 2018? I bet the never Trump vote was much less than a single percentage point then. And MSNBC entirely lost interest in them. I don't think they've had a "never Trump" segment in years.
In any case when it comes to Haley - I think a small percentage of republicans started to be bit embarrassed after Trump's criminal indictments started to come down. They want to seem principled and decent. They aren't never Trump people by any means. I'd bet money that a large percentage of republican and independent voters who voted for Haley (or will vote for her) will change when they vote in the general election. They'll do what republicans do which is vote for Trump. There's no "never" for them. Biden could cure cancer himself before election day and they'd still vote for Trump.
There are polls showing that a significant amount of Haley voters won't vote for Trump, with 43% going to Biden. That's a big enough percentage to sink him in every swing state. Of course it's impossible to know how it will actually play out, but I think more Repubs are sick of trump than you might think.
It’s an issue that became starkly apparent in polling ahead of the Iowa caucuses, when an NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of voters in that state found that fully 43 percent of Nikki Haley supporters said they would back President Joe Biden over Trump. And it’s a dynamic that has been on vivid display as the campaign shifted this week to New Hampshire.
Polling only works if people are honest. I have great fatigue when it comes to comes to republicans saying they don't like Trump. There's always a "but". Hopefully I'm wrong and I'm too cynical but to this point the "but" has always been there. Sometimes they say it and sometimes they don't. Biden's plan is to pray that the fascism fever will break. I think that's a truly terrible dangerous plan and total nonsense. In any case - we'll know in ~286 days.
yeah fair enough. I guess by never trump I just meant anti-Trump, since you're right probably most of those people will likely vote Trump in the general so they're not quite the same.
I suppose what I meant was, it is surprising how anti-Trump the GOP is. We often make fun of the never-Trumpers for believing that they represent the hogs in the GOP, but really they're not completely wrong. The GOP seems to be split down the middle with nearly half ready to throw their support behind some neocon appointed by the establishment. Not that they're gonna vote Biden or for any Democrat like the never-Trumpers, but the GOP remains a battleground.
I don't think that's accurate at all. I think the people voting for Haley are entirely different from the Never-Trump movement. Years ago Never Trump people like David Frum and Bill Kristol started to appear on MSNBC all the time. I don't remember when 2018? I bet the never Trump vote was much less than a single percentage point then. And MSNBC entirely lost interest in them. I don't think they've had a "never Trump" segment in years.
In any case when it comes to Haley - I think a small percentage of republicans started to be bit embarrassed after Trump's criminal indictments started to come down. They want to seem principled and decent. They aren't never Trump people by any means. I'd bet money that a large percentage of republican and independent voters who voted for Haley (or will vote for her) will change when they vote in the general election. They'll do what republicans do which is vote for Trump. There's no "never" for them. Biden could cure cancer himself before election day and they'd still vote for Trump.
There are polls showing that a significant amount of Haley voters won't vote for Trump, with 43% going to Biden. That's a big enough percentage to sink him in every swing state. Of course it's impossible to know how it will actually play out, but I think more Repubs are sick of trump than you might think.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/01/23/trump-moderate-republicans-problem-00137112
Polling only works if people are honest. I have great fatigue when it comes to comes to republicans saying they don't like Trump. There's always a "but". Hopefully I'm wrong and I'm too cynical but to this point the "but" has always been there. Sometimes they say it and sometimes they don't. Biden's plan is to pray that the fascism fever will break. I think that's a truly terrible dangerous plan and total nonsense. In any case - we'll know in ~286 days.
Those people are full of shit and just don't like admitting they're going to vote for Trump.
They'd probably also tell you they didn't vote for him the last two times which would also be horseshit.
yeah fair enough. I guess by never trump I just meant anti-Trump, since you're right probably most of those people will likely vote Trump in the general so they're not quite the same.
I suppose what I meant was, it is surprising how anti-Trump the GOP is. We often make fun of the never-Trumpers for believing that they represent the hogs in the GOP, but really they're not completely wrong. The GOP seems to be split down the middle with nearly half ready to throw their support behind some neocon appointed by the establishment. Not that they're gonna vote Biden or for any Democrat like the never-Trumpers, but the GOP remains a battleground.