• EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website
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      8 months ago

      Where am I doing whataboutism?

      Ukraine gets invaded, people support them because it's a war of aggression with no real cause.

      Palestine takes an offensive action with mass murder and kidnapping and then gets invaded, I don't think it's surprising people don't see it the same way. It's not the same as Ukraine at all.

      People supported the US invading Iraq and Afghanistan even though they were tangentially related to 9/11. 20 years later it's clear that was a shit show and nobody would support doing it over again (the only good was ousting Sadam and Bin Laden).

      Back to Israel Palestine. I don't support how Israel is doing any of this, closing the borders was wrong, the mass civilian deaths is wrong, flattening neighbourhoods for "buffer zones" and calls for settlement are wrong.

      But there was never any outcome where Israel did nothing, nor ceded their land back to Palestine after this. Hamas's actions could only ever have had the outcome of an invasion.

      • Dolores [love/loves]
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        8 months ago

        land back to Palestine after this. Hamas's actions

        so you acknowledge israel stole palestine's land, but somehow palestine started this?

      • Great_Leader_Is_Dead
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        8 months ago

        So what the fuck should Palestinians do in your mind? Cuz they've tried peaceful protest like a thousand times and the response is gunfire. Seems like any act they take the reply from Israel is genocide.

      • TimmytheDragon [he/him]
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        8 months ago

        Oh yeah, it's totally okay for you Americans to invade another country and dislodge its leader, imagine what would happen if we Chinese or the Russians invade you and dislodge Joe Biden because he apparently doesn't comply with our ideology?? Also Saddam was not related to 9/11.

        As for Gaza and West Bank, you have to look at what happened there before October last year, buddy. Hell you don't see people there being randomly bombed by Israeli air-crafts and shot by Israeli police/army.

      • Aquilae [he/him, they/them]
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        8 months ago

        Hamas's tactics are no different from the Viet Cong's (attacking villages, taking hostages, using tunnels and guerilla warfare etc) and their goals are the same (reunifying their nation and driving out colonizers). These are simply the most effective tactics for driving out occupiers, and they wouldn't be necessary if the colony wasn't there in the first place; decolonization has always been violent, and will continue to be so until the colonies are removed.

      • SexMachineStalin [comrade/them]
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        8 months ago

        You should try telling why "Um AkShUaLlY idf-destroyer-ing an apartheid cop's car is bad nerd." to a member of MK in the 1970s in Durban. Surely your mailbox won't have a idf-destroyer surprise inside it.

        PIGPOOPBALLS

      • panopticon [comrade/them]
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        8 months ago

        Ukraine gets invaded... it's a war of aggression with no real cause.

        any outcome where Israel did nothing, nor ceded their land back to Palestine after this

        You're just straight up dumbing while assing, hope it's not terminal. Your brain has been colonized by hegemonic propaganda, maybe the replies here will get those gears turning.