Y'all act like Russians have figured out hypnosis and seeing anything they say will instantly corrupt a person's brain. I really don't get it.
If he's not a journalist then what's the big deal? Tuck is already a propagandist for oil money and he's been a professional apologist for capital since before his bowtie days. Is it suddenly a crime when he also talks to Russians?
For clarity's sake I also don't care what happens to Tucker Carlson. Throw him in the ocean for all I care, but for a good reason, not just talking to Russian politicians lmao. Tucker Carlson has been a professional white supremacist homophobic asshole for decades, except now that he's talking to Putin he's suddenly a problem? That's ridiculous to me.
Yes, Tucker is a media whore for whomever is slipping singles up his ass. The topic was Russia, but sure, I very much agree that capital is as foreign to me as any foreign government.
No country openly allows foreign propaganda from hostile countries to be broadcast in their country without restrictions, Russia being among the most extreme in this regard. It's not about fear, it's about not being idiotic.
Capital is as foreign to you as a foreign government? What do you mean by this? Also foreign propaganda is totally allowed. Once again I'll point you to the Vietnam War, free speech laws meant that totally uncensored footage of the atrocities being committed were broadcast and criticized. The media/military industrial complex tightened the grip extensively in response, but through corporate acquisitions and private soft power not by sanctioning journalists or especially non-journalists. Not being a journalist and being silenced is kind of an even bigger deal.
enemy of whom? afaik Ukraine isn't the one bringing this, the EU is. on what basis should the EU suppress the speech of Russians if there is not a state of war between them?
I was using the framing of the comment I was responding to but, yeah Russia is an enemy to both the US and Europe, with or without a war. The Russian government is nothing but a cartel at this point. Not that the US is a whole lot better in many regards, but at least political assassinations aren't something we got used to.
If spreading propaganda should result in sanctions, do you support corresponding sanctions against Voice of America and the Australian Strategic Policy Institute?
It doesn't matter what I support because I don't live in the countries that would have a problem with those, but I sure expect that they will block what they can.
Anyways, we aren't going to stop Tucker from spreading his verbal diarrhea anyways. Maybe we could just throw him out a window afterwards as a warning to others.
No, I fully understand the difference. You like propaganda that you agree with, dislike propaganda you don't agree with and wish death upon its creators. You don't have a problem with propaganda per se.
Tucker isn't interviewing the people who live there, he's interviewing the very concrete embodiment of the abstract concept of the Russian government that is absolutely our enemy. Tucker is himself a concrete representative of our common enemy, capital.
Don't try to tell me who my enemy is nerd, I know who my enemy is. It's the people who put these bizzare nationalist ideas in your head. You're talking like a medieval serf would talk about a rival kingdom, when it's our own aristocracy that's menacing the entire world.
are you in any danger of becoming Russian and owing anything to Putin? No, you're not. Disentangle the nationalism from your brain. Russia isn't a threat to you and it's not your enemy, it's a threat to your country's shareholders.
It does deserve to be threatened, but not by criminal regimes that share every negative aspect and add so many more. Putin's Russia doesn't threaten to overthrow the American oligarchy and put Americans in control, it threatens to strengthen that oligarchy and bend it to Putin's will. That is absolutely a threat to America, in every possible sense.
So, it's crazy to assume that one of the worlds largest influence operations might exert some influence. Yeah, that's the sensible take. Putin isn't a comic villain, he's just a modern crime boss with access to a state level intelligence agency.
Let's turn that around: who has the world's largest influence operation, and what makes you think it hasn't affected you? Your relationship with propaganda is that of a fish that doesn't know it's wet. You genuinely think that the Russian Federation wants to take over America, that's how a small child thinks lmao
Let's turn it around again and look at the country so afraid of a mythical NATO invasion that they invaded a neighboring country and created unimaginable tragedy for nothing. If NATO were threatening Russia, what better time than this moment to invade? Russia has proven it's military to be a bad joke riddled with corruption and incompetence and embroiled itself in a conflict it can't resolve, meanwhile NATO is bigger and stronger than ever. Where is the invasion Putin feared so much?
I got a solid public education, then went on to study philosophy and theology in college at a private university. Then I traveled the world and leaned more. I'm in my fifties now and never stopped learning. Assume what you want about me, but by eyes are open and I'm not child.
I never said Russia wants to take over America BTW. They want influence, and have not been as unsuccessful as I would like in that endeavor. Your reading comprehension is shit and you might want to work on that.
Lol holy shit you should have just lied and said you were like 15, everyone already thought so and it would have been so much more understandable to behave this way in the presence of people who actually know what they're talking about.
I got a solid public education, then went on to study philosophy and theology in college at a private university. Then I traveled the world and leaned more. I'm in my fifties now and never stopped learning. Assume what you want about me, but by eyes are open and I'm not child.
So you got an sheltered education in the sheltered imperial core at its peak and then used that blood money to go do a sheltered little tour. That doesn't make you anymore intelligent that a patron of Disneyland.
You are a child. The first step to learning is realising that you know nothing.
I'm not a salesperson trying to convince you of anything. It's your loss if you choose to remain ignorant.
Russia is the way it is because of the meddling of the US during the Cold War. I am more than happy to shit on modern Russia but I refuse to empower the propaganda of the US imperial core while doing so.
When you're so propagandized that you believe that Russian imperialism is a thing that exists, and not believing whatever your pathologically lying empire says about its rivals means you must love them. Lead poisoning and cable news doing it's thing.
I was 6 for the Iraq War and I even learned from that one, what the fuck is your excuse? 22 years ago you'd be calling people Saddam lovers and burning Dixie Chicks records, you dumb motherfucker.
You know that national representation, how laws and rights work as well as international relations aren't at all guided by your opinions or lifestyle right? Your lack of fast food consumption has nothing to do at all with the Americans who do or the comparative stereotype your comment that was removed for racism (I know cause I'm.the oen who reported it). Stop being so self involved and blockheaded.
Last I checked America is not at war with Russia and regardless, yes free speech includes Enemy Propaganda. Should people who protested the Vietnam War have been sanctioned?
LOL, comparing Tucker Carlson to a Vietnam protester is even more of a stretch than calling him a journalist.
No, of course we shouldn't have sanctioned Vietnam war protesters, though I would argue that we actually did. It's an insult to compare them with a disingenuous cultist giving Putin a bullhorn pointed straight at the most gullible people in American society. People like Tucker were the ones suppressing those protesters.
They both spread enemy propaganda. Your opinion of someone has nothing at all to do with it. Either enemy propaganda should be covered as free speech or shouldn't. You don't get to pick and choose based on your opinion cause laws don't work like that for a good fucking reason.
I don't even believe in free speech (as in like, as a concept it's meaningless) but at least I get how laws work.
America has plenty of ways to allow free speech without really allowing free speech. The Internet blew up their controls for a while, but they have speech they don't like pretty well quarantined again.
In Russia, the state dominates corporations. In America, corporations dominate the state. In either case, it ultimately ends up looking pretty much the same, though I think corruption in Russia has been quite a bit worse. Most of our leaders can still fool themselves into thinking they are virtuous, and that gives the people at least some ability to push back.
Are they free to spread enemy propaganda? We're talking about Tucker Carlson here, not an actual journalist.
Y'all act like Russians have figured out hypnosis and seeing anything they say will instantly corrupt a person's brain. I really don't get it.
If he's not a journalist then what's the big deal? Tuck is already a propagandist for oil money and he's been a professional apologist for capital since before his bowtie days. Is it suddenly a crime when he also talks to Russians?
For clarity's sake I also don't care what happens to Tucker Carlson. Throw him in the ocean for all I care, but for a good reason, not just talking to Russian politicians lmao. Tucker Carlson has been a professional white supremacist homophobic asshole for decades, except now that he's talking to Putin he's suddenly a problem? That's ridiculous to me.
What about what about what about.
Yes, Tucker is a media whore for whomever is slipping singles up his ass. The topic was Russia, but sure, I very much agree that capital is as foreign to me as any foreign government.
No country openly allows foreign propaganda from hostile countries to be broadcast in their country without restrictions, Russia being among the most extreme in this regard. It's not about fear, it's about not being idiotic.
The fuck do you mean what about? They are SPECIFICALLY not doing what about ism here
The fuck is wrong with you lmao
Capital is as foreign to you as a foreign government? What do you mean by this? Also foreign propaganda is totally allowed. Once again I'll point you to the Vietnam War, free speech laws meant that totally uncensored footage of the atrocities being committed were broadcast and criticized. The media/military industrial complex tightened the grip extensively in response, but through corporate acquisitions and private soft power not by sanctioning journalists or especially non-journalists. Not being a journalist and being silenced is kind of an even bigger deal.
enemy of whom? afaik Ukraine isn't the one bringing this, the EU is. on what basis should the EU suppress the speech of Russians if there is not a state of war between them?
I was using the framing of the comment I was responding to but, yeah Russia is an enemy to both the US and Europe, with or without a war. The Russian government is nothing but a cartel at this point. Not that the US is a whole lot better in many regards, but at least political assassinations aren't something we got used to.
lmao yeah at least the US doesn't assassinate people!
shouldn't Free Speech be sacred enough to not be suppressed until the most dire of circumstances? [actual war]?
I very clearly didn't say that the US doesn't assassinate people. We just have much tighter seals on our windows.
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Michael Hastings
The founders of BLM
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Good, fuck Europe and America
If spreading propaganda should result in sanctions, do you support corresponding sanctions against Voice of America and the Australian Strategic Policy Institute?
It doesn't matter what I support because I don't live in the countries that would have a problem with those, but I sure expect that they will block what they can.
Anyways, we aren't going to stop Tucker from spreading his verbal diarrhea anyways. Maybe we could just throw him out a window afterwards as a warning to others.
Propaganda from county I like = doesn't matter lol.
Propaganda from country I don't like = BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
Not what I said in either case.
It doesn't matter what I say because I'm not someone who'd have a problem with those statements, but I sure expect that they will block what they can.
And? You really don't get the difference? I really can't see how to take you seriously, and I'm not interested in fucking with you, so bye.
No, I fully understand the difference. You like propaganda that you agree with, dislike propaganda you don't agree with and wish death upon its creators. You don't have a problem with propaganda per se.
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Yes it is
Our enemy is not the abstract concept of Russia, or the people who live there. Me, you and them share a common enemy: capital.
Tucker isn't interviewing the people who live there, he's interviewing the very concrete embodiment of the abstract concept of the Russian government that is absolutely our enemy. Tucker is himself a concrete representative of our common enemy, capital.
Don't try to tell me who my enemy is nerd, I know who my enemy is. It's the people who put these bizzare nationalist ideas in your head. You're talking like a medieval serf would talk about a rival kingdom, when it's our own aristocracy that's menacing the entire world.
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are you in any danger of becoming Russian and owing anything to Putin? No, you're not. Disentangle the nationalism from your brain. Russia isn't a threat to you and it's not your enemy, it's a threat to your country's shareholders.
So, you acknowledge that Putin is threatening the US. Well, that's progress of a sort. (I can play your stupid games too.)
Oh my god you are so embarrassing shut the fuck up
What an absolute bent over tool lmao
You can, but you keep losing.
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It does deserve to be threatened, but not by criminal regimes that share every negative aspect and add so many more. Putin's Russia doesn't threaten to overthrow the American oligarchy and put Americans in control, it threatens to strengthen that oligarchy and bend it to Putin's will. That is absolutely a threat to America, in every possible sense.
Look out, Putin is seeking the infinity stones!
So, it's crazy to assume that one of the worlds largest influence operations might exert some influence. Yeah, that's the sensible take. Putin isn't a comic villain, he's just a modern crime boss with access to a state level intelligence agency.
Let's turn that around: who has the world's largest influence operation, and what makes you think it hasn't affected you? Your relationship with propaganda is that of a fish that doesn't know it's wet. You genuinely think that the Russian Federation wants to take over America, that's how a small child thinks lmao
Let's turn it around again and look at the country so afraid of a mythical NATO invasion that they invaded a neighboring country and created unimaginable tragedy for nothing. If NATO were threatening Russia, what better time than this moment to invade? Russia has proven it's military to be a bad joke riddled with corruption and incompetence and embroiled itself in a conflict it can't resolve, meanwhile NATO is bigger and stronger than ever. Where is the invasion Putin feared so much?
I got a solid public education, then went on to study philosophy and theology in college at a private university. Then I traveled the world and leaned more. I'm in my fifties now and never stopped learning. Assume what you want about me, but by eyes are open and I'm not child.
I never said Russia wants to take over America BTW. They want influence, and have not been as unsuccessful as I would like in that endeavor. Your reading comprehension is shit and you might want to work on that.
Lol holy shit you should have just lied and said you were like 15, everyone already thought so and it would have been so much more understandable to behave this way in the presence of people who actually know what they're talking about.
You mean like you? Now that's funny.
Ah, I see the problem
So you got an sheltered education in the sheltered imperial core at its peak and then used that blood money to go do a sheltered little tour. That doesn't make you anymore intelligent that a patron of Disneyland.
You are a child. The first step to learning is realising that you know nothing.
If you say so, but maybe you would be a little more convincing if you weren't literally defending Russian imperialism.
I'm not a salesperson trying to convince you of anything. It's your loss if you choose to remain ignorant.
Russia is the way it is because of the meddling of the US during the Cold War. I am more than happy to shit on modern Russia but I refuse to empower the propaganda of the US imperial core while doing so.
When you're so propagandized that you believe that Russian imperialism is a thing that exists, and not believing whatever your pathologically lying empire says about its rivals means you must love them. Lead poisoning and cable news doing it's thing.
I was 6 for the Iraq War and I even learned from that one, what the fuck is your excuse? 22 years ago you'd be calling people Saddam lovers and burning Dixie Chicks records, you dumb motherfucker.
Obviously that's a lie lmao
Is it the same reason Yanks gorge themselves on shitty fast food?
I wouldn't know. I couldn't even tell you the last time this "yank" are fast food.
You know that national representation, how laws and rights work as well as international relations aren't at all guided by your opinions or lifestyle right? Your lack of fast food consumption has nothing to do at all with the Americans who do or the comparative stereotype your comment that was removed for racism (I know cause I'm.the oen who reported it). Stop being so self involved and blockheaded.
Bruh everything you eat is full of corn syrup and addictive slop
You clearly don't know what I eat.
The residue off the boots you lick?
Wow, that's edgy.
If the boot fits
They lick it
The EU is itself a concrete representative of our common enemy, capital.
Every serious power on the planet is capital.
Last I checked America is not at war with Russia and regardless, yes free speech includes Enemy Propaganda. Should people who protested the Vietnam War have been sanctioned?
LOL, comparing Tucker Carlson to a Vietnam protester is even more of a stretch than calling him a journalist.
No, of course we shouldn't have sanctioned Vietnam war protesters, though I would argue that we actually did. It's an insult to compare them with a disingenuous cultist giving Putin a bullhorn pointed straight at the most gullible people in American society. People like Tucker were the ones suppressing those protesters.
They both spread enemy propaganda. Your opinion of someone has nothing at all to do with it. Either enemy propaganda should be covered as free speech or shouldn't. You don't get to pick and choose based on your opinion cause laws don't work like that for a good fucking reason.
I don't even believe in free speech (as in like, as a concept it's meaningless) but at least I get how laws work.
America has plenty of ways to allow free speech without really allowing free speech. The Internet blew up their controls for a while, but they have speech they don't like pretty well quarantined again.
In Russia, the state dominates corporations. In America, corporations dominate the state. In either case, it ultimately ends up looking pretty much the same, though I think corruption in Russia has been quite a bit worse. Most of our leaders can still fool themselves into thinking they are virtuous, and that gives the people at least some ability to push back.
You're Yakov Smirnov
You're on my block list.
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Yes. Yes they are. Do you even know what the first amendment is???