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I don't get it. They'd really rather support some small group of "anarchists" that are allied with ukrainian fascists over being anti-war?

    • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      The OG Maxist-Leninist project, the USSR, is still within living memory. Cuba follows a similar line and its revolutionary government is still around. The PRC took a few major departures but is still rooted in the ML tradition. Vietnam and Laos also have ML roots.

    • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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      5 months ago

      Almost every existing Socialist Nation was ML and still is ML.

      DPRK, China, Cuba, Vietnam and Laos are all Marxist-Leninist.

          • Mardoniush [she/her]
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            5 months ago

            I think there's grounds to say it's become its own thing, given a key tenant is that under Socialism, humanity has now totally eliminated the tyranny of material conditions and dialectical materialism is now reversed, with collective ideology being the driving force of history.

            But it's certainly descended from ML and would probably call itself the next stage in socialist thought after ML

            • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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              5 months ago

              Juche upholds Socialism in One Country from ML theory within Korea, that doesn't mean they believe "humanity has now totally eliminated the tyranny of material conditions..."

              • Mardoniush [she/her]
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                5 months ago

                That's not what I'm talking about. SIOC is obviously standard ML theory and I have little issue with the self reliance parts of the Juche ideology. Critical support, of course. The DPRK, whatever critiques I may have of it, does seem to be building Socialism in good faith and under extremely difficult conditions.

                And I'm possibly misunderstanding my translations of On the Juche Idea and my collections of Kim Jong Il/ Kim Il Sung's , but that was my take from it. A lot of what western commentators say about it is flat wrong and extreme cope, but it is openly stated that it is further development from ML at least as great as ML was from classical Marxism, and the "Creative potential of the masses as the single driving force of history" is stressed in several works.

                Now there's actually stuff in Engles about this happening once the contradictions of labour are fully resolved, about humanity taking control of its fate free of the Tyranny of Nature, and I do think Juche has a lot of interesting ideas about how a society in higher stages of socialism or communism might evolve. But I am skeptical that the DPRK is quite at the stage where it can claim it is ready for that ideological shift.