It sounds simple, but look at Fascism. Their ideological framing of the enemy as both everywhere and all powerful, but also week and feeble, makes them incapable of assessing what's really happening.
Or that bit where it says - If you're surrounded, with no way out, you must fight? The liberals are begging anyone to save them from having to fight. They're up against a wall with no where to go except through the enemy, and they're preying to a senile, evil old man to save them.
It all sounds simple on the page, but then you look at how people actually behave.
The only thing I'd say about that is it seems like it's working out just fine for the fascists but like you said in your second point that wouldn't be possible if the libs opposing them didn't think that actually opposing them was a moral failure.
I meant the modern day fascists. There were fascists openly flying swastika flags at a state capitol this week.
At a certain point the contradictions become too much to overcome and they have to face reality but the entirety of American society is working hard to make sure people don't see those contradictions.
Unfortunately there isn't a far superior communist country forcing us to address those contradictions like in historical examples.
How is it working "just fine" for fascists? Fascists consistently fail to win wars and achieve their goals in a lasting way because they are ideologically limited from accurately assessing the strength of themselves and their enemies.
Consider how Ukraine, a fascist country that receives massive material support cannot defeat Russia, a country that receives no material support and has an economy the size of Italy.
Consider how Israel, a fascist country that receives massive material support has failed for over 80 years to achieve its long term goals of normalizing its relations with its neighbors and to eradicate the Palestinians.
These two fascist states are strong on paper but weak in reality. Their fascist ideology prohibits them from accurately assessing the strength of themselves and their enemies, and this leads them to act as if they are in a position of strength even when they are in a position of weakness.
Russia, a country that (...) has an economy the size of Italy
Not engaging in the rest of this debate, but this is misleading. If you just look at GDP, that's true, but if you look at GDP PPP (purchasing power parity), it's the §th economy of the world, right after Germany.
PPP means that you don't just translate roebels into dollars, but that you check what you can actually buy with it.
Again I'm talking about the current wave of fascism in America.
How is it working "just fine" for fascists?
They are constantly doing whatever they want and the strongest opposition is democrats saying they can't do that, then the fascists tell them to suck they're balls and the dems shrug and say "aw shucks fine"
They control 2/3rds of the federal government while the other 1/3rd lectures us about how they can't do anything about it.
A bunch of them flew swastika flags over a state capital with no reourcussions last week.
A state just outlawed ivf because Jesus said that frozen embryos are humans.
We just vetoed a resolution to stop doing a genocide.
The presidential election is between a proud self avowed fascists and a meek self ashamed fascist.
And waiting for the fascists to defeat themselves when the contradictions become untenable has been the dems strategy for at least 2 decades at this point.
I really hate people like you who point to a few fascist victories and then proclaim that communism is over and that the future of mankind is eternal face-stomping under the fascist boot.
All Fascist Victories Are Temporary.
I don't give a shit about your thousand-week Reich. It will not last. Fascist victories do not last.
Abortion is banned - this will not last.
Israel still exists - this will not last.
Just because you are on your back foot doesn't mean that you have lost the fight. You are like those people who abandoned communism and became fucking liberals after the fall of the USSR.
A few idiots waving swastikas at the American capitol doesn't mean that communism is over. Tens of millions of Germans waved swastikas a century ago, and Hitler lost.
Fascist victories do not last.
A man falling off a cliff isn't "doing fine" as long as he hasn't hit the ground yet. He has stopped doing fine as soon as he stepped off the cliff.
I can't help but be stunned when you confidently proclaimed that fascism has won just because a few idiots waved flags at the American capitol. It's fucking over guys. Some idiots waved some swastikas. It's fucking over.
As a side note, I really hate when Americans (you) use "we" when referring to Americans. Who is we? I am not American. The rest of the world exists; most of the world is not America.
Seriously, the imperialists are paper tigers. Your oppressors aren't infallible. The Algerian war of independence expelled and killed all the French settlers. Soon, the same will happen to Israel. Half a million Israeli settlers have already fled the country. Fascist victories are temporary.
Hey congratulations you continuously insisting that the rising fascism in the america isn't anything to worry about puts you in ideological lockstep with the liberals.
It's just I've watched them be wrong about literally everything for my entire life and haven't really seen any evidence that's suddenly going to change for no reason.
Maybe if you aren't from America don't get so bent out of shape when somebody who is from there say that yes, the completely unopposed ascendancy of fascism in the countrybwith the world's biggest military is no big deal.
Tell that to the 15000 dead Palestinian children that 80% of this country agrees deserved it.
"You'll do better if you know the capabilities of your army and the enemy's army before a fight."
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It sounds simple, but look at Fascism. Their ideological framing of the enemy as both everywhere and all powerful, but also week and feeble, makes them incapable of assessing what's really happening.
Or that bit where it says - If you're surrounded, with no way out, you must fight? The liberals are begging anyone to save them from having to fight. They're up against a wall with no where to go except through the enemy, and they're preying to a senile, evil old man to save them.
It all sounds simple on the page, but then you look at how people actually behave.
The only thing I'd say about that is it seems like it's working out just fine for the fascists but like you said in your second point that wouldn't be possible if the libs opposing them didn't think that actually opposing them was a moral failure.
Hitler lost WW2.
I meant the modern day fascists. There were fascists openly flying swastika flags at a state capitol this week.
At a certain point the contradictions become too much to overcome and they have to face reality but the entirety of American society is working hard to make sure people don't see those contradictions.
Unfortunately there isn't a far superior communist country forcing us to address those contradictions like in historical examples.
How is it working "just fine" for fascists? Fascists consistently fail to win wars and achieve their goals in a lasting way because they are ideologically limited from accurately assessing the strength of themselves and their enemies.
Consider how Ukraine, a fascist country that receives massive material support cannot defeat Russia, a country that receives no material support and has an economy the size of Italy.
Consider how Israel, a fascist country that receives massive material support has failed for over 80 years to achieve its long term goals of normalizing its relations with its neighbors and to eradicate the Palestinians.
These two fascist states are strong on paper but weak in reality. Their fascist ideology prohibits them from accurately assessing the strength of themselves and their enemies, and this leads them to act as if they are in a position of strength even when they are in a position of weakness.
Not engaging in the rest of this debate, but this is misleading. If you just look at GDP, that's true, but if you look at GDP PPP (purchasing power parity), it's the §th economy of the world, right after Germany. PPP means that you don't just translate roebels into dollars, but that you check what you can actually buy with it.
Again I'm talking about the current wave of fascism in America.
They are constantly doing whatever they want and the strongest opposition is democrats saying they can't do that, then the fascists tell them to suck they're balls and the dems shrug and say "aw shucks fine"
They control 2/3rds of the federal government while the other 1/3rd lectures us about how they can't do anything about it.
A bunch of them flew swastika flags over a state capital with no reourcussions last week.
A state just outlawed ivf because Jesus said that frozen embryos are humans.
We just vetoed a resolution to stop doing a genocide.
The presidential election is between a proud self avowed fascists and a meek self ashamed fascist.
And waiting for the fascists to defeat themselves when the contradictions become untenable has been the dems strategy for at least 2 decades at this point.
How are they not?
I really hate people like you who point to a few fascist victories and then proclaim that communism is over and that the future of mankind is eternal face-stomping under the fascist boot.
All Fascist Victories Are Temporary.
I don't give a shit about your thousand-week Reich. It will not last. Fascist victories do not last.
Abortion is banned - this will not last.
Israel still exists - this will not last.
Just because you are on your back foot doesn't mean that you have lost the fight. You are like those people who abandoned communism and became fucking liberals after the fall of the USSR.
A few idiots waving swastikas at the American capitol doesn't mean that communism is over. Tens of millions of Germans waved swastikas a century ago, and Hitler lost.
Fascist victories do not last.
A man falling off a cliff isn't "doing fine" as long as he hasn't hit the ground yet. He has stopped doing fine as soon as he stepped off the cliff.
I can't help but be stunned when you confidently proclaimed that fascism has won just because a few idiots waved flags at the American capitol. It's fucking over guys. Some idiots waved some swastikas. It's fucking over.
As a side note, I really hate when Americans (you) use "we" when referring to Americans. Who is we? I am not American. The rest of the world exists; most of the world is not America.
Seriously, the imperialists are paper tigers. Your oppressors aren't infallible. The Algerian war of independence expelled and killed all the French settlers. Soon, the same will happen to Israel. Half a million Israeli settlers have already fled the country. Fascist victories are temporary.
“We” is fine sometimes as in “I speak for the people of my country when I say” but this user’s use is strange. “We” did not vetoe it, the state did.
Hey congratulations you continuously insisting that the rising fascism in the america isn't anything to worry about puts you in ideological lockstep with the liberals.
It's just I've watched them be wrong about literally everything for my entire life and haven't really seen any evidence that's suddenly going to change for no reason.
Maybe if you aren't from America don't get so bent out of shape when somebody who is from there say that yes, the completely unopposed ascendancy of fascism in the countrybwith the world's biggest military is no big deal.
Tell that to the 15000 dead Palestinian children that 80% of this country agrees deserved it.