The context for this one is right though? Not all self immolations are worthwhile endeavors, but this one has the chance to maybe do some good is what I’m getting from this conversation. The guy was faced with an impossible choice because he was being forced to go assist the Israelis from what I understand. And since he was part of some kind of intelligence unit in the Air Force he would have been complicit in acquiring the targeting data for Israeli bombers had he gone. I don’t know what happens if you just tell the government you don’t want to go, I would assume some kind of court marshal or something. So instead of being silenced in some kind of military prison he decided to take his own life in support of the people he was ordered to kill. Will it change anything? I have no idea this is the most coverage I’ve ever seen of a self immolation in my lifetime, but it doesn’t really seem like the other person is saying everyone should emulate the act or anything.
Well that might be your opinion, but it clearly wasn’t theirs. They were being asked to do something that directly went against their moral code and they didn’t think being silenced was a good compromise so they took their dying breath speaking for the Palestinian people as someone who was being asked to help kill them. Think whatever you want about it, but it was their choice and we should show some respect to it either way considering the circumstances. If it starts up some copycats then maybe your opinion will have weight behind it, but until then it just looks like you’re shitting on someone who was put in a tough position and decided they’d rather die than being complicit in imperial genocide or be silenced through military justice.
The choices were go to prison and shut up or kill Palestinians. Shitting on the dead because their suicide is not going to be the spark that saves the Palestinians is kinda fucked. If you don’t agree then that’s fine, but I’m disengaging at this point. Hope you get over yourself at some point and realize people do things based on what they think is right and not if you personally agree with them or not. Go be mad at someone else.
It's ultimately the christo-leftist self sacrifice ideology that we see on display here. These people fetishize the idea of sacrifice even when it accomplishes nothing. It's also telling that Bushnell had just severed connections with a Christian cult. This has nothing to do with respecting the dead and more to warn people not to fucking kill themselves. You can do so much good in your life and it's possible and worth it to live so you can feel happy.
I've also had many many friends kill themselves over the years, as is common for a trans "elder". I'm sick of seeing good people die to no benefit and I'm sick of seeing ideologies disseminated that justifies it.
Maybe there were other options, maybe there wasn’t I don’t know but if someone more knowledgeable knows something I’m all ears. Ultimately whatever ended up happening was going to change the course of their life forever and in the end they chose to end their life in service to the Palestinian people speaking about the injustice they face. It makes no sense to lambast them for it just because it might be in vain.
They're arguing that this one is good and the context is right, though. That means the context can be right in the future
The context for this one is right though? Not all self immolations are worthwhile endeavors, but this one has the chance to maybe do some good is what I’m getting from this conversation. The guy was faced with an impossible choice because he was being forced to go assist the Israelis from what I understand. And since he was part of some kind of intelligence unit in the Air Force he would have been complicit in acquiring the targeting data for Israeli bombers had he gone. I don’t know what happens if you just tell the government you don’t want to go, I would assume some kind of court marshal or something. So instead of being silenced in some kind of military prison he decided to take his own life in support of the people he was ordered to kill. Will it change anything? I have no idea this is the most coverage I’ve ever seen of a self immolation in my lifetime, but it doesn’t really seem like the other person is saying everyone should emulate the act or anything.
Suicide is definitely not the way to go there, better to be like
Well that might be your opinion, but it clearly wasn’t theirs. They were being asked to do something that directly went against their moral code and they didn’t think being silenced was a good compromise so they took their dying breath speaking for the Palestinian people as someone who was being asked to help kill them. Think whatever you want about it, but it was their choice and we should show some respect to it either way considering the circumstances. If it starts up some copycats then maybe your opinion will have weight behind it, but until then it just looks like you’re shitting on someone who was put in a tough position and decided they’d rather die than being complicit in imperial genocide or be silenced through military justice.
You sicken me. Fucking disgusting
Nothing will come of this. Just one more dead nice person
The choices were go to prison and shut up or kill Palestinians. Shitting on the dead because their suicide is not going to be the spark that saves the Palestinians is kinda fucked. If you don’t agree then that’s fine, but I’m disengaging at this point. Hope you get over yourself at some point and realize people do things based on what they think is right and not if you personally agree with them or not. Go be mad at someone else.
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It's ultimately the christo-leftist self sacrifice ideology that we see on display here. These people fetishize the idea of sacrifice even when it accomplishes nothing. It's also telling that Bushnell had just severed connections with a Christian cult. This has nothing to do with respecting the dead and more to warn people not to fucking kill themselves. You can do so much good in your life and it's possible and worth it to live so you can feel happy.
I've also had many many friends kill themselves over the years, as is common for a trans "elder". I'm sick of seeing good people die to no benefit and I'm sick of seeing ideologies disseminated that justifies it.
Maybe there were other options, maybe there wasn’t I don’t know but if someone more knowledgeable knows something I’m all ears. Ultimately whatever ended up happening was going to change the course of their life forever and in the end they chose to end their life in service to the Palestinian people speaking about the injustice they face. It makes no sense to lambast them for it just because it might be in vain.