I'm certain a lot of them only support it in an abstract sense and don't grasp what they're actually supporting. Internal media doesn't show the bodies being dug out of the rubble or the literal thousands of mutilated children or interviews with the survivors or the other horrors in the Gaza concentration camp. I'm certain if we rubbed it in that the crimes would sink in. They're still human, they just aren't seeing.
Served in the IDF to drop bombs from thousands of feet away or inside drone bases miles away or inside armored vehicles with only screens to see the world with. The actual boots-on-the-ground engagement is low by design.
There's a difference between knowing and knowing. The lesson doesn't sink in without the full sensory experience. Even the targets are chosen by the targeting AI Gospel, so they get to offload their guilt into Just Following Orders.
It's not natural for people to be like this. They have to be carefully cultivated and propagandized at all times, not just when they're growing up but their entire lives. The conditioning can be broken.
They've had plenty of chances to educate themselves. If I can see right from wrong halfway around the world they have no excuse. They have access to everything I do. If they can hear the constant airstrikes, see the plumes of smoke, and just go one with their day? They are as guilty as if they are pulling the triggers themselves.
Not to mention the mandatory military service means a decent chunk are pulling triggers themselves. 0 sympathy for Israeli occupiers. Ignorance of the consequences of your actions is no excuse. You can't drop a bomb on a crowded city and tell yourself "I sure am glad I hit exactly what I was aiming at and didn't kill anyone else!".
Ah fair enough, I misunderstood your point and came in a little hot. I still think certain members of the IOF (mainly pilots but pretty much any one directly involved in the genocide) should get the . Another example are the IOF foot soldiers who are walking through the rubble of a city, the stench of death permeating the air, while they are laughing and taking selfies. They are already up close and personal with the atrocities being committed. If they had an iota of sympathy for the Palestinian people they would have defected, , or done some drastic protest akin to what Aaron Bushnell did.
It takes more than sympathy to defect, that takes courage. The penalty is almost certain death or worse.
Aaron Bushnell is far braver than us. How can we comdemn cowards to death for being too afraid to betray their rulers when we, too, are choosing to not throw our bodies into the gears of the empire?
You definitely aren't aware of Zionist Telegrams that show nothing but mutilated Palestinian corpses full of comments in Hebrew mocking the bodies as they get desecrated by IOF goons.
They know. And not only do they know, they fucking love it. They delight in seeing dead Palestinians. The sight of a dead Palestinian getting their fallen body desecrated and organs harvested brings a shit-eating grin to these ghouls' faces.
And how many people does that actually represent? Many tens of thousands I'm sure! But is the average Israeli visiting those Telegrams? I doubt it. The majority just don't think about it, same as every genocide.
And what of popular Israeli talkshows where the hosts say Gaza should be razed to the ground with the entire audience applauding? Are they just "tens of thousands?"
Those talk shows don't show the bodies for a reason.
And you certainly can't smell through the TV.
You're really underestimating human empathy. People get PTSD from working in slaughterhouses, actual human bodies would break through the standard programming. Yes, there are a lot of genocidal freaks, but I just don't believe most of the war's supporters really understand what they're supporting.
Nah, the Israelis support this pretty much across the board, acting like they just don't know what they do is incredibly naive.
I'm certain a lot of them only support it in an abstract sense and don't grasp what they're actually supporting. Internal media doesn't show the bodies being dug out of the rubble or the literal thousands of mutilated children or interviews with the survivors or the other horrors in the Gaza concentration camp. I'm certain if we rubbed it in that the crimes would sink in. They're still human, they just aren't seeing.
Everyone in Israel who didn’t immigrate as an adult served in The IDF or went to prison to not serve.
They all know.
Served in the IDF to drop bombs from thousands of feet away or inside drone bases miles away or inside armored vehicles with only screens to see the world with. The actual boots-on-the-ground engagement is low by design.
They're dropping bombs on schools and hospitals they know what they are doing even from thousands of feet away
There's a difference between knowing and knowing. The lesson doesn't sink in without the full sensory experience. Even the targets are chosen by the targeting AI Gospel, so they get to offload their guilt into Just Following Orders.
It's not natural for people to be like this. They have to be carefully cultivated and propagandized at all times, not just when they're growing up but their entire lives. The conditioning can be broken.
there is very small portion (5-10%) who aren't completely brainwashed/break through the indoctrination.
I'm aware.
I think we could get those numbers up if they were forced to really understand what they have done, to see and hear and smell the genocide.
They've had plenty of chances to educate themselves. If I can see right from wrong halfway around the world they have no excuse. They have access to everything I do. If they can hear the constant airstrikes, see the plumes of smoke, and just go one with their day? They are as guilty as if they are pulling the triggers themselves.
Not to mention the mandatory military service means a decent chunk are pulling triggers themselves. 0 sympathy for Israeli occupiers. Ignorance of the consequences of your actions is no excuse. You can't drop a bomb on a crowded city and tell yourself "I sure am glad I hit exactly what I was aiming at and didn't kill anyone else!".
Do you think I'm absolving them of guilt?
Not at all!
I just think they can be reeducated through direct exposure and forced labor.
Ah fair enough, I misunderstood your point and came in a little hot. I still think certain members of the IOF (mainly pilots but pretty much any one directly involved in the genocide) should get the
. Another example are the IOF foot soldiers who are walking through the rubble of a city, the stench of death permeating the air, while they are laughing and taking selfies. They are already up close and personal with the atrocities being committed. If they had an iota of sympathy for the Palestinian people they would have defected, 
, or done some drastic protest akin to what Aaron Bushnell did.
It takes more than sympathy to defect, that takes courage. The penalty is almost certain death or worse.
Aaron Bushnell is far braver than us. How can we comdemn cowards to death for being too afraid to betray their rulers when we, too, are choosing to not throw our bodies into the gears of the empire?
You definitely aren't aware of Zionist Telegrams that show nothing but mutilated Palestinian corpses full of comments in Hebrew mocking the bodies as they get desecrated by IOF goons.
They know. And not only do they know, they fucking love it. They delight in seeing dead Palestinians. The sight of a dead Palestinian getting their fallen body desecrated and organs harvested brings a shit-eating grin to these ghouls' faces.
And how many people does that actually represent? Many tens of thousands I'm sure! But is the average Israeli visiting those Telegrams? I doubt it. The majority just don't think about it, same as every genocide.
And what of popular Israeli talkshows where the hosts say Gaza should be razed to the ground with the entire audience applauding? Are they just "tens of thousands?"
Those talk shows don't show the bodies for a reason.
And you certainly can't smell through the TV.
You're really underestimating human empathy. People get PTSD from working in slaughterhouses, actual human bodies would break through the standard programming. Yes, there are a lot of genocidal freaks, but I just don't believe most of the war's supporters really understand what they're supporting.
And we should make them. By force.