That's not very materialist. If people were like this no AES states would currently exist, and those marginalized peoples would live far worse lives. Cuba would not be so socially progressive right now, and Palestinians would not be able to fight against the genocide.
Unfortunate truth is that economically unstable countries are socially conservative, and improving that will require working with and organizing those socially conservative masses.
My response to this is always: please do it, then, because none of them will ever listen to me, the subject of their ire. I cannot be expected to be my own liberator and a patient, knowing teacher to my oppressors at the same time. Allies in advantageous positions need to leverage their afforded social power- their privilege- to do this work, and in my experience, they do not. But a lot of them sure do sound exactly like this.
This is the truth for Central America and our left-wing. We have better understandings of revolution and more effective actions than the American left but we’re also behind on some social issues.
This also goes for poor parts of the US. Go to the ghettos or the rural boonies and in both places people aren’t exactly going to be woke. It’s an unfortunate byproduct of poverty.
If you’re especially sensitive then organizing might not be for you because the masses can be brutal when they’re still at the learning stage.
I was born without any prejudice, just like any child. It is prejudice that is learned.
So you're suggesting we teach the conservatives about respect and tolerance and try to free them from the ideas their social cicle put in their brains. Then alright. I misinterpreted your first message then because I thought you were suggesting going with the conservative masses simply because we have some shared goals
Between, lets suppose,
(Homophic anti imperialist) vs (pro lgbt+ imperialist), a marxist will side against imperialism. You dont have to agree, you dont have to be a marxist. Im just telling you how it works. Of course this is a veeeeery abstract example, but i guess you get the ideal. And also
So you're suggesting we teach the conservatives about respect and tolerance and try to free them from the ideas their social cicle put in their brains
I think if dont do that you are helping the people who teached them to be the way they are
No. I'm not collaborating with homophobes and racists no matter what and no matter how childish that may be. It goes against everything I believe.
That's not very materialist. If people were like this no AES states would currently exist, and those marginalized peoples would live far worse lives. Cuba would not be so socially progressive right now, and Palestinians would not be able to fight against the genocide.
Unfortunate truth is that economically unstable countries are socially conservative, and improving that will require working with and organizing those socially conservative masses.
My response to this is always: please do it, then, because none of them will ever listen to me, the subject of their ire. I cannot be expected to be my own liberator and a patient, knowing teacher to my oppressors at the same time. Allies in advantageous positions need to leverage their afforded social power- their privilege- to do this work, and in my experience, they do not. But a lot of them sure do sound exactly like this.
This is the truth for Central America and our left-wing. We have better understandings of revolution and more effective actions than the American left but we’re also behind on some social issues.
This also goes for poor parts of the US. Go to the ghettos or the rural boonies and in both places people aren’t exactly going to be woke. It’s an unfortunate byproduct of poverty.
If you’re especially sensitive then organizing might not be for you because the masses can be brutal when they’re still at the learning stage.
And how does that help anything? Were you born without any prejudice, or someone teached you to respect others?
I was born without any prejudice, just like any child. It is prejudice that is learned.
So you're suggesting we teach the conservatives about respect and tolerance and try to free them from the ideas their social cicle put in their brains. Then alright. I misinterpreted your first message then because I thought you were suggesting going with the conservative masses simply because we have some shared goals
Between, lets suppose, (Homophic anti imperialist) vs (pro lgbt+ imperialist), a marxist will side against imperialism. You dont have to agree, you dont have to be a marxist. Im just telling you how it works. Of course this is a veeeeery abstract example, but i guess you get the ideal. And also
I think if dont do that you are helping the people who teached them to be the way they are