I don't really have an issue with some games being horny, especially when it fits a type of aesthetic like pulp. Just really funny to me that chuds have chosen this as a hill to die on.
I sort of agree for the most part. But the objectification of women is more than "just an asthetic with no malice behind it" for the most part.
[CW: dysphoric rant]
Coming from someone who only pretty recently came out as non-binary and grew up socialised as female, if you even had the choice of a female character at all (I grew up in the late 90s/early 2000s), it would be made for the male gaze, often in a dehumanising way.
This was the only type of avatar for girls. If you picked the female character choice, you were constantly reminded that this is for men, not you. That this is what men want from you, to be debased for their amusement. Nothing about you matters. You are a product for males to use and throw away, and if you don't look like a sex doll (regardless of you want to look like that or not, because your body isn't for you and everyone just assumes that what cis dudes find attractive is objective) then it must be because you are 'ugly' and therefore bad at being a woman, because that is your place, your role, and if you don't like it then it's a skill issue on your part. Too bad.
The female characters often were unappealing to me. I simply couldn't relate to them. It's to the point that often I would choose the male option to avoid being reminded of my "place".
That's not just because I'm non-binary. I know a lot of cis women will choose the male option for that reason too.
Sorry for the weird rant, it's not directed specifically at you (you're not even wrong). I just feel that too often people in general, even the left, forget the baggage that comes with female objectification, and that it's something that has been used to dehumanise girls and women and shame them into not looking how they want.
I genuinely learned something through this. Gendered character selection always seemed off to me but I couldn’t quite articulate why until I read this.
The female characters often were unappealing to me. I simply couldn't relate to them. It's to the point that often I would choose the male option to avoid being reminded of my "place".
I totally get it comrade. I mostly chose female characters in games as an Asian guy because the generic white guy and token black guy options don't appeal at all. True, the character selection screen is not reminding me to conform to a form pleasing to men, but East and South Asian people make up half the human population and most games seem that they would rather not think about our existence at all.
Yeah but it's kind of silly looking.
At least the dude is wearing skintight stuff too I guess
I don't really have an issue with some games being horny, especially when it fits a type of aesthetic like pulp. Just really funny to me that chuds have chosen this as a hill to die on.
I sort of agree for the most part. But the objectification of women is more than "just an asthetic with no malice behind it" for the most part.
[CW: dysphoric rant]
Coming from someone who only pretty recently came out as non-binary and grew up socialised as female, if you even had the choice of a female character at all (I grew up in the late 90s/early 2000s), it would be made for the male gaze, often in a dehumanising way.
This was the only type of avatar for girls. If you picked the female character choice, you were constantly reminded that this is for men, not you. That this is what men want from you, to be debased for their amusement. Nothing about you matters. You are a product for males to use and throw away, and if you don't look like a sex doll (regardless of you want to look like that or not, because your body isn't for you and everyone just assumes that what cis dudes find attractive is objective) then it must be because you are 'ugly' and therefore bad at being a woman, because that is your place, your role, and if you don't like it then it's a skill issue on your part. Too bad.
The female characters often were unappealing to me. I simply couldn't relate to them. It's to the point that often I would choose the male option to avoid being reminded of my "place".
That's not just because I'm non-binary. I know a lot of cis women will choose the male option for that reason too.
Sorry for the weird rant, it's not directed specifically at you (you're not even wrong). I just feel that too often people in general, even the left, forget the baggage that comes with female objectification, and that it's something that has been used to dehumanise girls and women and shame them into not looking how they want.
I genuinely learned something through this. Gendered character selection always seemed off to me but I couldn’t quite articulate why until I read this.
It's not even that it's gendered, it's that it's the only way that gender is allowed to be
But thanks, I'm glad I didn't sound too unhinged
I totally get it comrade. I mostly chose female characters in games as an Asian guy because the generic white guy and token black guy options don't appeal at all. True, the character selection screen is not reminding me to conform to a form pleasing to men, but East and South Asian people make up half the human population and most games seem that they would rather not think about our existence at all.