There are a few users on the site without pronouns now (other than "none/use name", I mean like there is no pronoun field at all)
Was considering writing a 
patch for this unless this is intended behavior now? I would have submitted a diff but I can't build lemmy on my system to test any changes :(
It seems like the patch would be pretty easy, there is already pronoun validation code it just needs to be applied when people try to update their username
This seems like a deviation from the path laid out for us by comrade TC69
What do you think?
Cissies not being forced to pick pronouns is pure revisionism and needs to be adressed ASAP. If people have deliberately circumvented the pronoun selection, they should also get banned.
It's honestly kind of a defining feature of this place, and shouldn't be watered down.
cissies choosing meme pronouns is also revisionism. immediate ban
I was there when it all happened, “revisionism” is absolutely the word for it. So many cissies trying to weasel out of just doing one little thing to support trans comrades here. 100% behind patching this.
The original proposal didn't have enough options. That's what caused most of the issues.
Sure there were some transphobes out there that lost their shit, but there were legitimate issues with the lack of choices when it was first proposed
I had a very strong impression many of the complaints came from concern trolling cis people and they weren't very convincing in hiding their transphobia. They particularly did not complain about a lack of neopronouns, although some complained about opsec reasons - which can be easily adressed by picking none / use name or another neutral option, or just lying - if you value opsec over validation of your gender identity, why would you need a site culture where he / him is the implied default?
If people weren't happy with the lack of neopronouns (which was, ofc, a legitimate concern), why would they oppose pronoun tags on principle instead of demanding them, but with more inclusive options? The majority of the criticism back then was thinly veiled transphobia, please don't try to legitimize that.
as a cis guy who was there, I agree. I remember being against mandatory pronoun selections just from my own perspective (I'd rather people just hit me with the they/them or implied neutral he/him or random she/her or whatever else they feel like than feel the need to check what I set it to) but I have come to understand the other perspectives. And, when I was against it, it was in the mildest "this isn't really a big deal" kind of way, I remember scrolling through the thread(s?) and just being like "what the fuck is wrong with these losers" lmao, the struggle session really baffled me at the time. it's a pronoun box, it isn't the end of the world
In hindsight, I understand that we had a pretty big core userbase of reactionary internet troll / bully types who liked dunking on liberals way more than they were interested in any kind of solidarity with their comrades. they understood enough about communism to know why the end goal is correct, but didn't really care about how a communist movement could or should be built. surface-level communists, i guess
and to conclude this ramble with some kind of point: I think that this struggle session and a couple others were necessary for the identity of the site and for its long-term health. it's good that a bunch of dumb nerds went full
over a lil fuckin ui element and got banned and we built a pretty strong community of people who were, for one reason or another, in agreement about the fact that those guys sucked and it's good they're gone
That option was only introduced after quite a bit of argument. It was not an original option. I remember it not being an option.
ofc that should be an option, i'm friends with trans people irl that need this option because these people want to be adressed without third person pronouns, but to say that lack of options was the actual main concern in these struggle sessions is denying that we had a substantial number of transphobes from r/stupidpol in the community when we originally got kicked out of reddit, that they vocally opposed the trans inclusivity of this site, that we successfully purged them and that this was a good and important part of building the site culture.
There’s people in these very comments doing that, lmao
I think a ban would be a bad idea, some users might be using alternative apps that don't present hexbear's vision clearly or other issues like they may not natively speak English or did it unintentionally. I'm very serious about the unintentional detail, there is a way to do it accidentally, I can explain how to any admins in private if necessary.
Yeahh, good point, some people might be using apps or something that don't add them to your username
I use a mobile app that doesn't support display names. I wish it did! Maybe we need to fork one and build our own.
Agreed tbh