Not sure if this is a proper post to this community, but I've been trying to be more active so figured I'd give it a shot. Mostly just want to get this off my chest really.

I've had a similar feeling with The Boys, also on Amazon Prime, where for the most part you're just watching something that's fun, dark, and light hearted, but seems to be intentionally peppered with anti-capitalist rhetoric, but like, in a safe way. The platform being owned by the richest most capitalist dickhead on Earth probably has something to do with it, but really that's just how capital works: it co-opts the social and cultural anxieties of the era into a form that can be packaged and sold, and so on and on it goes.

But there's one line in the show that I can't help but feel does have something sinister behind it, and it's Moldaver's line: "I'm not a communist, Mr. Howard. That's just a dirty word they use to describe people who aren't insane."

Without going into her character too much, she seems to be a scientist that's more focused on finishing her research on cold fusion than aligning herself with any sort of political ideology, so she's using the communists as a means to an end. But the fact that she's aligning herself with the communists, giving speeches to communists, understands that capitalism is undermining her research and is leading to a worse world, then why wouldn't she just be explicitly communist, unless the showrunners are trying to imply something very specific about communism, or at least, a sentiment towards communism?

Now I may be reading way, way too much into this, but there's something nagging at the back of my head about this kind of wording, that these kinds of sentiments represented in liberal media are used in a way to actually reinforce negative stereotypes about communism by acknowledging that while right wingers do misuse that word to mean essentially 'anything they don't like', that you still shouldn't be asking too many questions about communism itself because that's irrelevant. In essence, you don't have to be an "extremist" to poke fun at conservatives, implying in a weird round-a-bout way that communism itself is too extreme for most people, and isn't exactly a position a true intellectual should take.

I remember feeling something similar during The Last of Us when Joel brother denies he's a communist but his wife says something to the effect, "No, we literally are, this is a commune, we're communists." It's played for laughs and it's harmless enough, but it still seems to be one of those weird lines that seemingly puts a positive spin on communism, but ultimately reinforces the idea that it's an outlandish concept that doesn't really deserve further scrutiny, or at the very least, seems to be content on keeping the term vague enough so that you can reasonably argue that the showrunners could fall on either side of some argument of whether or not 'communism is acceptable'.

I understand that communism is a bit complicated of a subject to thoroughly explore in a show meant for mass appeal, but I can't help but feel that these shows are intentionally messing with the cultural anxiety of aligning yourself with communism, and maybe intentionally, maybe not, reinforcing the idea that people shouldn't align themselves with communism through some sort of meta-narrative hidden wink.

That's all. thx.

  • EllenKelly [comrade/them]
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    8 months ago

    I agree with you 100% comrade.

    myself and my partner both hated the show for how black and white all the characters are, it's VERY todd howard, bad people are comically evil, like RoboCop bad guys, but the show takes itself SO seriously. the 'good guys' are basically flawless.

    othershit that annoyed me

    other shit that really bothered me is the showrunners who care about fallout, destroyed shady sands, one of the first locations you go in fallout 1. the only reason being to give the brotherhood of steel character a tragic backstory, it felt especially like a fuck you to the original game.

    the overseers wife/ protags dead mother only exists to give the characters tragic backstory.

    the ghoul's cartoonishly evil wife is Black, leading the American hero astray.

    anti communist shit you mentioned (I screamed). they call the ghoul a pinko at one point, but I think it's more foreshadowing that he'll be literally pink, wow, very writing.

    last episode spoilers

    WHAT THE FUCK THE CAPITALISTS DROPPED THE NUKES ON THEMSELVES, it doesn't make sense.

    oh and fucking adding a roomba so amazon exists in fallout now.

    :::

    anyway I'm so mad at todd howard I actually started playing fallout 1, it's funny, it's clever, the story is better, it's 'fun'.

    the tv show isnt canon, and neither are anything bethesda has touched, you can't change my mind.

    at least seeing people in power suits kick and stomp on people was fun.

    sorry this is more of an insomnia rant than a proper engagement with your post. 😎

    • RedWizard [he/him, comrade/them]
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      8 months ago

      Hold on. When the bombs drop America is in the height of a new red scare and the middle of a hot war with China. Naturally the Americans depicted at the start of the show are rabid anticommunists. That's why they call him Pinko. By that time he has already been outed as a "Communist" by the american media and government. Its deliberately reflective of the McCarthy era blacklisting and anticommunist sentiment. So I'm not sure how you read that as anything but a critique on McCarthyism especially when you consider the whole arc of the character.

      Unless I'm misunderstanding your statement.

      • EllenKelly [comrade/them]
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        8 months ago

        I just dont have a lot of faith in the writers I guess, I understood what it could mean, but the matriarchal figure saying 'yeah nah communism bad' doesn't inspire a lot of confidence. I read it as them being clever.

        also, insomnia so my brain doesn't work rn

    • Milksteaks [he/him]@midwest.social
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      8 months ago

      You really summed up what I thought but really couldnt put into words. At least the overall story arc was pretty spot on for capitalism being a death cult. Company nukes to sell their vaults and outlast competitors by cryofreezing themselves and putting a brain in a jar. That's one of the most realistic analogies to real life corpos and the show

    • Mardoniush [she/her]
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      8 months ago

      It's kind of an open secret that the proto-Enclave and Vault Tec launched the war if you read between the lines. But they fucked up and also it wasn't about capitalism more than clearing the slate of "undesirables" and opening up resource exploitation in space after the last oil rig ran out.

      • TRexBear
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        8 months ago

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        • Mardoniush [she/her]
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          8 months ago

          House at least was portrayed fairly well, in that he was clearly internally "What is this dumb fucking plan I need to emergency page my platinum chip guy right now?!" but, since he's smart but not half as smart as he thinks he is, is still dumb enough to be at this meeting in person.