• Adkml [he/him]
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    1 month ago

    So anybody who does anything other than vote for biden is "wasting" their vote.

    But you're not saying you just have to keep voting for the dems.

    Ok

    The day can't come soon enough when the general public starts treating you libs with the contempt you deserve.

    • @Doesntpostmuch@possumpat.io
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      Please, help trump get elected with that take. I'm sure you will be so much happier with the END of democracy. You don't seem to understand, this is an existential threat and voting a third party is throwing your vote away. Look at recent history of the other 3rd party runs, they spoiled the election for Gore and Hillary. You may not like dems but there is likely no coming back from the alternative.

      • Adkml [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        It's still setting in how much this new tarrif on renewables pisses me off and I was just thinking I'm to the point I'm so fucking pissed at Biden and every stupid fucking move he makes that I've moved on from reasonable arguments and at thisnpoint my reaction to somebody trying to tell me Biden isn't a huge piece of ahit is pretty much "suck my fucking cock you dumbshit fascist hypocrite"

        So in response to you insisting you're not saying everybody has to vote for biden and then immediatly lecturing me when I pointed out that's what youw are saying

        suck my fucking cock you dumbshit fascist hypocrite

        I hope Biden and every liberal who supports him gets hit by a bus.

        He completely failed so badly the cou try is going to swing to fascism because he literally failed to prevent a better alternative and every one of you useless dumbshit liberals who has been carrying water for him is to blame.

        I don't give a shit if you try to say I'm to blame, I've watched for 20 years as you've blown every possible decision, emboldened fascism at every step, and even now are punching left harder than you are punching right.

        If you want to win the election stop being cartoonishly inept fascists and stop blaming the people who have been right about everything for the last 30 years while you've fucked them over while simultaneously lecturing them.

        I have more contempt for you than chuds because chuds are at least honest that they hate me and were opposed. You dipshits constantly stab me in the back while lecturing me for not thanking you hard enough.

        This country deserves nuclear hellfire.

          • Adkml [he/him]
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            1 month ago

            I could not have come up with a more perfect summary of why not only are dems going to lose but they could not more fully deserve it.

            You really think that's a good answer, people voice all the completely legitimate reasons theyre fucking furious with this pathetic excuse of a political party and your answer is to infantalize them.

            Seriously when Biden loses and you're telling yourself it's because of people who oppose genocide having morals being a bad thing I want you to remeber this comment.

            • @Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz
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              1 month ago

              It's funny how you're complaining about all the things "wrong" with this country, and yet you seem to be advocating for the candidate who wants to take away the rights of everyone who isn't white and obnoxiously rich. Yeah Biden is a fairly typical politician, but what has he done wrong other than Israel? What could he have done better that wasn't immediately blocked by the republicans? Or are you just mad that he's trying to move forward instead of sucking the dick of the oil companies?

              Seriously, if you think the "left" is the problem here, then you haven't been paying attention to what's been happening in the House and Senate over the last couple decades. Check out ever bill that would have improved your life, and who voted against it. Check out who was creating those bills that would improve your life, and who was creating bills that benefited big corporations at your expense. Which party is constantly being caught suppressing voters and sponsoring bills to take away your rights? Which party is saying they want less government influence while trying to pass bills to dictate what every can and can't do? If you think the Republican party is doing anything at all with your interests in mind then I can only assume you're a boomer who remembers the party from 70 years ago and hasn't looked at anything they've done since then. Yeah politicians in general suck, but there's only one party actively working to make your life even worse.

              • Adkml [he/him]
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                Thank you for starting off your comment by saying I'm advocating for Trump and letting anybody that isn't blue Maga know you are a deeply unserious person.

                I fucking hate Trump, my main critique of the dems is they're incapable or more likely unwilling to meaningfully oppose them.

                You are like a small child just lashing out and then retreating to simple absolutes like "if anybody criticizes liberals for any reason you don't have to listen to them because they're just big meany Trump supporters"

                I wish that the logical conclusions of your political ideology that discards anybody who isnt immediatly useful would happen to you but since you're a liberal I'm sure you'll just keep smugly telling yourself everything is everybody else's fault while stepping on the neck of the vulnerable you claim to care about.

                I don't have words to express my level of disdain for you.

                Seriously if it turns out "genocide is bad" is a negotiable value if it's too politically costly why should anybody believe you stand for anything.

                You realize you're literally taking political hostages right?

                "Endorse my genocide of Palestinians or else the same thing could happen to you, other vulnerable minorities"

                Great coalition building strategy you've got there.

                • @Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz
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                  1 month ago

                  I love how you said above that you are giving all these legitimate reasons for hating Biden, and yet the only thing you really said was pro-Israel is bad (no objections there), and somehow pro-renewables are also bad. And yet when I asked what else you think he did wrong or what he could have changed that hadn't been voted against by the conservative congress, you just completely ignored it.

                  Maybe the problem here isn't people like me trying to vote for the least-damaging leader (because face it, it's either going to be Trump or Biden and nothing you say will change that)... maybe the real problem here is that you're arguing against what you assume are problems that would go away if Biden wasn't in office. Show me a good candidate that could actually win the office and I'll be happy to vote for them. Otherwise the best we can do is voting against the one who is going to hurt the most people.

                  • robinnn [he/him]
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                    1 month ago

                    and somehow pro-renewables are also bad

                    Biden just signed into law higher tariffs on green energy products produced in China (where the vast majority are produced) in order to restrict supply and keep up the price of solar panels, EVs, and semiconductors in the US. Biden is building the same border wall Democrats were calling Trump a fascist for demanding in 2016, and expanding the immigrant concentration camps to boot. There's also the proxy war in Nazified Ukraine where Ukrainians are thrown into the meat grinder for the MIC and the exhaustion of Russia's resources, the continuation of global US military occupation and debilitating murderous sanctions on the DPRK, Cuba, Iran, and Venezuela. I fail to see where Trump is significantly worse.

              • Rom [he/him]
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                1 month ago

                Criticism of Biden is not an endorsement of Trump. No one here is advocating for Trump. No one here is voting for Trump.

                Yeah Biden is a fairly typical politician, but what has he done wrong other than Israel?

                "other than Israel" like his lifelong, unwavering support for a genocidal apartheid state is just a little whoopsie-doodle and he isn't knowingly and willingly arming an entire fucking genocide. Fuck you.

                But besides that: He has failed to protect trans rights, has failed to protect women's rights (Roe was overturned under Biden, remember), has failed to raise the minimum wage, has drilled for more oil than any other president in history, has made no meaningful actions towards climate change, has expanded Trump's racist border policies, he's warmongering with China and Iran, refuses to cancel student loans, sent uniformed thugs after people peacefully protesting his awful decisions, busted a rail strike, has done nothing about COVID (which is still happening), and he still owes me $1400. To say nothing of all the racist policies and warmongering he supported during his decades as a politician before becoming president.

                • @Shdwdrgn@mander.xyz
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                  Well thanks for at least providing an honest answer since the other guy couldn't answer a direct question to save his life.

                  So a few things I'm curious about... how would Biden have changed the SCOTUS ruling on Roe? He can't just unilaterally overrule them, and any bills for women's rights that you try to push through congress will get nuked by the conservatives. What's left?

                  Regarding the minimum wage... Yes there are still some sectors that are exempted, but Biden did push through an increase to $15/hr that covered a lot of workers. Big surprise, the only ones to challenge this increase were the GOP.

                  What else can anyone do about COVID? We couldn't even get people to wear masks at a time when their own family members were dying from it every week. Hell the county next to me defied a state mandate for masking, and then they had the nerve to get mad when someone in my county suggested closing off the hospitals to them since their own hospitals were over capacity. You just can't fix stupid.

                  And I didn't mean to come off as dismissive when I said "other than Israel"... I just meant that yeah this is a big blunder and I have no objection to holding him partially responsible for this. It's worth noting though that nearly all of Congress is also introducing and voting for bills to provide aid to Israel's genocide.

                  • Rom [he/him]
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                    1 month ago

                    So a few things I'm curious about... how would Biden have changed the SCOTUS ruling on Roe? He can't just unilaterally overrule them, and any bills for women's rights that you try to push through congress will get nuked by the conservatives. What's left?

                    If he's so powerless to do anything why should I vote for him? Literally what have the Dems ever done with regards to abortion rights, other than using it for fundraising? Why do conservatives have all the power to do whatever ghoulish shit they want yet Dems are entirely powerless to do anything about it? Why didn't the Democrats try to enshrine abortions rights into law during one of the three times they had control of the House, Senate, and presidency during the nearly 50 years Roe was in effect (once each during Carter, Clinton, and Obama)? I want them to do fucking anything about it, because despite all the lip service, as far as I can tell they don't actually give a shit. "The GOP would block it" is not an excuse for not even trying.

                    Regarding the minimum wage... Yes there are still some sectors that are exempted, but Biden did push through an increase to $15/hr that covered a lot of workers. Big surprise, the only ones to challenge this increase were the GOP.

                    Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema were both Democrats and they blocked minimum wage from passing. If the Democratic Party can't even get their own people in line to pass the most basic things why should I vote for them? The $15 minimum wage Biden enacted only covered federal workers, which is 370,000 / 164.5 million = 0.22% of the entire US work force. And raising the minimum wage was a campaign promise, which he immediately dropped after one attempt and hasn't tried again. Why should anyone believe any promise he makes in the next six months if all he can manage is one (1) half-assed attempt at raising the minimum wage to one that was barely enough to live on a decade ago, let alone now after massive inflation?

                    What else can anyone do about COVID?

                    Literally anything???? They did a whole bunch of shit in 2020. More stimulus checks, protections for workers, mandatory paid time off for anyone who tests positive, literally just not ending the things they were already doing. COVID never went away, it's still killing people. Yet they just decided "whelp the pandemic is over, everyone back to work" and COVID was going to be a thing that kills people from now on. He's the president of the united states, it's literally his job to figure this shit out.

                    I just meant that yeah this is a big blunder and I have no objection to holding him partially responsible for this

                    You should be holding him entirely responsible for this. He's fully aware of what he's doing and what the weapons are being used for. There's no excuse for genocide.

                    It's worth noting though that nearly all of Congress is also introducing and voting for bills to provide aid to Israel's genocide.

                    Fuck all of them too tbh. amerikkka isntrael

                  • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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                    1 month ago

                    Well thanks for at least providing an honest answer since the other guy couldn't answer a direct question to save his life.

                    You don't get to be a condescending asshole and then whine over stuff like this; incredibly soft posting

              • Maoo [none/use name]
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                1 month ago

                I was taught that lying was wrong as a child yet Democrats keep lying to me about being a Trump supporter while being condescending.

                Can you explain why lying to someone about something they already know is actually good and smart? Make sure to treat me like an idiot.

          • TC_209 [he/him, comrade/them]
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            1 month ago

            I was going to vote for Biden but now I won't because you acted with such brutal incivility. This is the most important election of our lives; democracy itself is on the ballot and you are turning people away from the polls before they've even opened. You are handing Trump the keys to the White House; you are ushering in the dark tide of fascism. Enjoy the next election, you have made it our last.

      • robinnn [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        Look at recent history of the other 3rd party runs, they spoiled the election for Gore and Hillary.

        HILLARY PERSONALLY TRIED TO GET TRUMP AS THE GOP'S CANDIDATE

      • Rom [he/him]
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        1 month ago

        Look at recent history of the other 3rd party runs, they spoiled the election for Gore and Hillary

        Shaming the voters because your candidate lost has historically worked very well, very good idea, keep doing that.

      • Maoo [none/use name]
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        1 month ago

        Don't worry Dems are doing a way better job campaigning for Trump by openly supporting genocide.