It's just so peak lisan-al-gaib

Uncritical support to the Fremen Jihad in their heroic struggle against the illegitimate cracker empire

  • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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    15 days ago

    Slave and peasant rebellions. Great house feuds. Ethnic and religious tensions. The Fremen turn up to places and find people fighting already using supporting or opposing Paul as their excuse.

    That would have been very interesting indeed if Herbert ever set that up or incorporated it into the plot, but he did not! Sand ubermensch just go on an undefeated killing rampage unopposed and people from one sparsely populated planet take over the whole universe by being really good at knife fights.

    And if those "billions" of deaths throughout the universe were slavers and feudal lords getting got, can't say I think it's the great tragedy Herbert tries to paint it as.

    • ComradePlatypus [fae/faer]
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      15 days ago

      I'll go back and time and get Frank to fix it.

      And if those "billions" of deaths throughout the universe were slavers and feudal lords getting got, can't say I think it's the great tragedy Herbert tries to paint it as.

      I don't think it would be all righteous terror. We see historically when some empires collapse (Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, Russian etc) some people in the chaos decides it's a good time to do a pogram or genocide.

      • zed_proclaimer [he/him]
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        15 days ago

        I don't think it would be all righteous terror. We see historically when some empires collapse (Ottoman, Austro-Hungarian, Russian etc) some people in the chaos decides it's a good time to do a pogram or genocide.

        The only people described as doing pogroms and genocides are Paul's own Fremen troops

        • ComradePlatypus [fae/faer]
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          15 days ago

          I agree the books have scant details and could be much better, and less eugenist.

          I think that with limited methods of communication deciphering the specific circumstances of all the conflicts on an incomprehensibly huge number of world's, after the fact would be difficult.

          Have a great day. I'm out.