i don't view it as a matter of right or wrong. the reason i asked is because it's a question with a million different answers depending on who you're talking to. i completely understand wanting to opt out of the bad stuff, especially with how things are going. i don't view my being regularly clocked as some kind of duty i have, it's just something that happens and i have to deal with it somehow. if i could get rid of that, i'd most likely do so