Saw this comment on the commie side of TikTok. My gut tells me this is ultraleft bs, but perhaps my fellow hexbears can educate me on this discussion which I’m sure is not new.
I don’t see how a poor American on food stamps is responsible, even though a systematic analysis reveals that international superexploitation is a thing.
The American proletariat can and should organize in any case. I don’t see how Americans can build any sort of socialist movement if any organization at all is accused of being hypocritical.
where's (the source for) that map saying a globally equal distribution of wealth would slightly raise the average in
because it's so unequal?
any fast food worker passes way more value of product through their hands than they're paid.
This is not how averages work.
There is a global average (mean) wealth per capita. Some countries have wealth above the average, and most have wealth below the average. Any change in the internal inequality does nothing to change this: the average of 50k and 60k is 55k, and the average of 10k and 100k is also 55k.
For the mean American wealth to be below the global average would require America as a whole to be losing wealth to other countries, and for the Netherlands and Germany and Sweden to be below average, with Spain and Italy above average. That's why the map didn't look very believable.
A bar chart that shows the 50th, 90th, and 99th percentile of wealth in selected countries would be a lot more informative in this case.
The infographic makes sense if it refers to median instead of mean. Changing wealth distribution does change median wealth.
The infographic cites the Credit Suisse Global Wealth Databook 2019[1], I think specifically Table 2-4.
Page 130, section 4.2 states that the global wealth per adult (mean) is $70,850 for mid-2019. To recover the numbers from the bottom map in the infographic, look in Table 2-4 for the median wealth per adult.
As an example, the infographic has the Philippines becoming 26x wealthier. Table 2-4 shows mid-2019 median wealth of $2,618. Computing the numbers, (70850-2618)/(2618) gives 26. Indonesia, with a median wealth of $1,977, works out to 35x — same as the infographic.
https://www.credit-suisse.com/media/assets/corporate/docs/about-us/research/publications/global-wealth-databook-2019.pdf ↩︎
Overeating the core: just declining empire things
The only reason why america would have an increase in wealth is that there is a large underclass of poc, lgbt, and women workers who aren’t being paid their fair share and are essentially second class citizens, and also this is assuming just equality, equity would require even Black Americans to give up some things. Part of the reparations Black people would make would go back to the global south, because nearly everyone is guilty in the imperial core, even the most vulnerable. The only people under capitalism who are not guilty, which is a very large part of the human population is everyone who is indigenous, a non labor aristocrat worker, nonchristian, nonwhite, nonenglish speaking, a woman. And I’m sure there more factors and not everyone in these groups is not innocent, but generally, I think everyone reading this is guilty, guilt doesn’t exclude you from being a communist, it’s probably the reason why many of us are. We all seen the inequalities in our daily lives, and we have all probably been victims to capitalism at the same time. There are people who have not suffered under capitalism and people who have only suffered and both can be comrades but everyone is somewhere in between I think.
everyone who speaks english is guilty? every AMAB is guilty? lol deeply unserious.
English is the language of capital, so yes you are privileged if you speak it. Privilege can not be measured but it does exist, some people got it some people don’t. Being AMAB you’re privileged until you start transitioning, when you do, your privilege goes straight out the window, fucking defenestrated, it’s one of the few ways for someone’s privilege to go into the negatives after birth. I’m sure as society progresses trans people will become a bit more privileged but right now they don’t benefit at all unlike gay, lesbian, and bisexual people. It’s like being a black/white interracial couple in the 50s, sure some lingering oppression still exists today but it’s not exactly revolutionary to be a “race traitor” as it was in the past. Idk, there’s no theory on measuring one’s privilege. It do be deeply unserious
trans women did not ever experience "male privilege" unless you meant it in a very trivial sense
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Damn I wanna see this. That really puts in perspective how lopsided things are.
GDP is not reality. Yes we could provide Americans socialized healthcare, we could make housing affordable, we could reduce the cost of consumer goods. That’s not our goal, we aren’t trying to build the west a gilded cage where they can peacefully exist in heavily subsidized main streets and suburbs off the back of the socialist state. We want to tear down the American experience, their culture, their people, and remake it into something that can serve the global south rather than take from it. We want to do to America something much more punitive than what we did to East Germany. Yes they will get their healthcare, and housing, and treats. We will be taking their cars, their meats, their social media, their money, their guns, we will be taking so much from them because they need to pay reparations, and the payments will never end, we need to prepare the American working class to get into a mindset that they are in an eternal debt to the rest of humanity that they can never pay off and the only way this debt can stop existing is if the people can stop existing which is what we want since we are trying to stop whiteness from existing by simply better integrating communities together. I think it was Bolivia that forced racial integration by banning white marriages, not a perfect solution but our main concern is not the white working class. Our main concern could be to properly reeducate them to accept the equitable treatment we need to put on them, or we could not concern ourselves with trying to educate them at all and just force them to do as we say and cause resentment. The last thing we want is resentment, with education we can make people accept less.
I fail to see how you can have both of these.
Also whiteness is not synonymous with American. Millions of Americans are victims of whiteness.
I think reparations can be tolerable, I think that people are naturally good and will recognize that they have to give back what is not theirs even if they suffer materially because of it. Also you’re right about the second part, I should have just said white americans.
Yeah but neverending? Like their children's children? At some point in this scenario, generations down the road, true equality has to be achieved at some point.
The reparations ends when the colonizer class no longer exists. So long as there is white people, so long as there is americans, there will have to be reparations.