• GlueBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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      4 months ago

      I think it's fine to kill invasive species, just because it's going to get worse doesn't mean you just give up.

      Those invasive species are going to lead to the death of native species, and when that doom spiral happens you've really gone and fucked the ecosystem.

      Same logic behind eating invasive Asian carp; if you don't kill it it will kill a native species.

      • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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        4 months ago

        These animals are just existing.

        Claiming we have a right to murder them for being in the wrong place is cruel - they have only spread there as a result of humanity.

        Do we have a right to eradicate humanity in turn?

          • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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            4 months ago

            So we have a right to murder innocent animals because we, the most destructive species in history, have deemed them “invasive”?

            • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]M
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              4 months ago

              Invasive species will lead to ecosystems being further destroyed. do you have any fuckin clue what you're talking about?

              • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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                It’s a moral consideration this isn’t a fucking logic problem.

                I don’t value ecosystems, but I do value animal lives. Unsure how I could be wrong about that on a moral level.

                If a pack of dogs was loose in a forest; I would not kill the dogs, for example.

                • Adlach@lemmygrad.ml
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                  4 months ago

                  Don't be silly. All moral considerations are logic problems. Theory without praxis is immaterial at best and concern trolling at worst.

                  And ecosystems are made up of a sum of lives, animal and otherwise. Their collapse inherently kills animals. There is no moral superiority in allowing deaths by inaction.

                • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]M
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                  4 months ago

                  If the pack of wild dogs was eating every single deer and you wouldn't kill the dogs, you do not value animal lives.

              • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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                4 months ago

                Having the same moral value for a fire and living creature is wrong.

                You can do a million things other than kill them to fix the problem… but killing them is cheapest, so that’s what’s done.

            • GlueBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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              4 months ago

              I mean I'm not gonna kill myself because a few billionaires fucked the environment.

              I feel like blaming the whole human species for ecosystem collapse and climate change isn't fair since we've existed for millennia, and the world was fine then.

              "The industrial revolution and its consequences", not "the human species and its consequences"

        • KoboldKomrade [he/him]
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          4 months ago

          It is crueler to let them destroy ecosystems they did not evolve in.

          And no one (who is a leftist) would argue to kill humans outside of Africa, because we can choose not to be invasive butts. We are because of capitalism. These things are because of instinct. There is no way these can reasonably fit into the system they are introduced to, without massive damage to the local system.

          • PosadistInevitablity [he/him]
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            4 months ago

            I see no reason to value the current ecosystem. It’s completely arbitrary.

            If we had tech capable of it, would we be obligated to restore past ecosystems? What if doing so destroyed the current ecosystem? At some point every species alive today displaced another.

            What makes the ecosystem as it exists right now especially valuable?

            In my view? Unlike ecosystems, animals are actually alive and can suffer. I choose to value their lives over an arbitrary relation of animals at a point in time called an ecosystem.

        • citrussy_capybara [ze/hir]
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          4 months ago

          invasive humans also need to die sometimes, your ‘gotcha’ doesn’t work

          the “just existing” native habitat lanternfly isn’t being killed, only ones where the lanterflys are committing genocidal extinction of other species