I was watching "...why Skyrim?" by Razbuten on sloptube this aft and it's so weird that it finally took Starfield for people to realise. Like Fallout 76 wasn't enough, only now are negative things people were first saying about Skyrim in 2012 finally bleeding into mainstream consciousness. It's so wild, like wow they ruined the magic system? The game has worse writing than a PS1 era Mega Man X game??? Skyrim is just shitty Game of Thrones?? Welcome to thirteen years ago!!

Bethesda hasn't made a really good game since 2002, but it'll probably be years before that realisation sinks in.

      • FearsomeJoeandmac [he/him, he/him]
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        4 months ago

        Compared to a lot of the isometric rpgs like planescape torment that came before or new Vegas and baldurs gate 3 that came after’? It’s dog shit. Wikipedia npcs are not immersive to me friend

        People getting defensive about favorite treats

    • Dolores [love/loves]
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      4 months ago

      there's shitty things about it and stuff that yes, even skyrim did better. but part of being an agonizing scold is also having to couch that in the context of its time, so a lot of it wasn't as bad as it looks now.

      • FearsomeJoeandmac [he/him, he/him]
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        4 months ago

        Yeah I know. Just people who worship morrowind generally don’t realize it’s mainly their nostalgia that makes the game legendary in their heads.

        Just like oblivion was my first elder scrolls so that’s the one I gravitate towards

          • ashinadash [she/her]
            hexagon
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            4 months ago

            started catering towards people who enjoy (multiple concurrent) linear stories more.

            Linear stories that are awful, to boot. Describing Skyrim as a "single player mmo" is so enlightening to me, it's like Borderlands and I hate both, lol

          • FearsomeJoeandmac [he/him, he/him]
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            4 months ago

            If I want to play a full rpg. I’m not going to be playing a post daggerfall Bethesda game.

            It’s just not that good of a role playing experience

            Better than Skyrim or Oblivion? Sure. But it’s not some masterpiece of rpg gaming Bethesda games have since morrowind and todd Howard been far more about the exploration than the role playing

            If you’re trying to gatekeep rpgs with Morrowind. I’m sorry but that’s laughable to me

            Keep in mind these are video game treats people. Please don’t go insane because I’m not a morrowind fanboy

              • FearsomeJoeandmac [he/him, he/him]
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                4 months ago

                I didn’t think you were trying to gate keep my friend

                I just meant some Morrowind fanboys do and it’s irritating whenever I bring up enjoying Oblivion. Morrowind fanboys pop and tell me how my tastes are shit or how in supposedly a casual (whatever that means)

        • Dolores [love/loves]
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          4 months ago

          absolutely, i just want to be fair on both sides [filthy centrism] since i think there's cool experiences in all three

            • Dolores [love/loves]
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              4 months ago

              none but Orangists in Belfast is hilarious as a concept holy shit. can Sinn Feinn just finish the job already?

              • FearsomeJoeandmac [he/him, he/him]
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                4 months ago

                These old fools are self hating gaelics. They don’t realize even lowland Scots have substantial Gaelic ancestry lmao