I was watching "...why Skyrim?" by Razbuten on sloptube this aft and it's so weird that it finally took Starfield for people to realise. Like Fallout 76 wasn't enough, only now are negative things people were first saying about Skyrim in 2012 finally bleeding into mainstream consciousness. It's so wild, like wow they ruined the magic system? The game has worse writing than a PS1 era Mega Man X game??? Skyrim is just shitty Game of Thrones?? Welcome to thirteen years ago!!

Bethesda hasn't made a really good game since 2002, but it'll probably be years before that realisation sinks in.

  • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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    1 month ago

    as someone who has played both Skyrim and morrowind long after both came out, I can say with certainty that there are certain aspects of their preference that are just true. Morrowind fundamentally caters to the "weird nerd tinkerer" kind of player way more, with seemingly purposely broken mechanics that are designed to be fully solved through exploring them. Kind of a toolkit of random toys to play with combined with an overarching story.

    Whereas Skyrim does have those toys, they were significantly shifted towards being a supporting aspect of the game with the plot and quests taking center stage. This isn't a bad thing, but it stopped catering to people who play with systems as much and started catering towards people who enjoy (multiple concurrent) linear stories more. If you're the kind of person who either roleplays a character that doesn't make sense with the stricter plot, or if you just want to generally fuck around, Morrowind is genuinely a better game (if you can stomach the absurdly out of date graphics). I would describe Morrowind as more of a full on RPG and Skyrim as more of a single-player MMORPG with less predatory monetization (well, when it was originally released at least). One is about giving a player the tools to basically make a story from whole cloth (which does kind of make the existing main story in Morrowind kind of a detractor sometimes), and another is about giving the player far more fleshed out linear narratives to take them on. Both are fun but for very different moods or preferences.

    • ashinadash [she/her]
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      1 month ago

      started catering towards people who enjoy (multiple concurrent) linear stories more.

      Linear stories that are awful, to boot. Describing Skyrim as a "single player mmo" is so enlightening to me, it's like Borderlands and I hate both, lol

    • FearsomeJoeandmac [he/him, he/him]
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      1 month ago

      If I want to play a full rpg. I’m not going to be playing a post daggerfall Bethesda game.

      It’s just not that good of a role playing experience

      Better than Skyrim or Oblivion? Sure. But it’s not some masterpiece of rpg gaming Bethesda games have since morrowind and todd Howard been far more about the exploration than the role playing

      If you’re trying to gatekeep rpgs with Morrowind. I’m sorry but that’s laughable to me

      Keep in mind these are video game treats people. Please don’t go insane because I’m not a morrowind fanboy

      • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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        1 month ago

        NO I wouldn't gatekeep anyone. I fucking loved Skyrim for ages and think anyone who likes it more than Morrowind (or even a lot more) or any game more than Morrowind is completely valid and reasonable. Art (even silly escapist art like video games) gets way worse when it's a "whose better" wankfest

        • FearsomeJoeandmac [he/him, he/him]
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          1 month ago

          I didn’t think you were trying to gate keep my friend

          I just meant some Morrowind fanboys do and it’s irritating whenever I bring up enjoying Oblivion. Morrowind fanboys pop and tell me how my tastes are shit or how in supposedly a casual (whatever that means)

          • EelBolshevikism [none/use name]
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            1 month ago

            oh yeah I can get how that's frustrating asf

            If it means anything I do think Skyrim is a genuinely fun game. Like it is super broken but that is kind of fun for me and also I can't criticize when I think it's fun in most other games