- cross-posted to:
- canada
- canada@lemmy.ml
- cross-posted to:
- canada
- canada@lemmy.ml
Um capitalism? Wonder how long before Liberals realize hey are as expendable to the ruling elite as the working class. But even if they did realize I think change scares them even more than the status quo.
As much as I like to shit on liberals,
I feel like her message is better than me and possibly other people here. Like systemic solutions such as ventilation, filtration, and time off for illness sell better that "wear a mask you lib".Although ya please do wear a mask.Who's standing outside my house telling me to stop calling people libs for not masking? I will never stop calling people libs for not masking!
Lol for real tho, I think as long as you're willing to take the pressure of masking and lockdown off the board you're never getting anything else. Besides the fact that there's gonna be times when they're absolutely necessary, this is just as much a psychological battle against Capital's propaganda as it is against the virus. To expand on @umbrella@lemmy.ml 's comment, no one who's refusing to mask is going be out there fighting for filters and whatnot. A mindset of healthy choices and looking out for one another needs to be sown before we're getting anything else. And ya, calling people libs is not the only way to go about it, I admit, but it's a language people around here understand. Plus, they're a bunch of
s for not masking.
Like I told the other commenter, you're right, we should promote masking. I'm definitely a billion percent pro mask advocacy. I'm just thinking out-loud if possibly a systemic approach might sound better. But it's all just empty pondering from me. And I'm mostly just questioning my own point of view, I wouldn't judge comrades so harshly for so little.
Certainly. I'll edit my comment.
I mean, no worries, we're just chatting.
I've been spending a lot of time over on /r/zerocovidcommunity and it's become very apparent that just getting people to mask isn't the answer the either. There's a pretty non-insignificant number of folks over there who are just chomping at the bit for an opportunity to abandon this new community they've found themselves forced into. They've gotten a taste of the alienation and abandonment that immunocompromised and disabled folks have been experiencing and rather than learning from it and seeking solidarity, they're begging their politicians to realize they've made a mistake. They think they've been accidentally forgotten, their ignorance of capitalism and neoliberalism hiding from them that they've been abandoned to rot with the rest of the expendables.
Edit: forgot a word.
i dont think people here are necessarily proposing masks as the solution. but more like how are we supposed to have systemic solutions if we get vehement resistance to even the stupidest, easiest stopgap solution like cotton masks?
The most exasperating thing is that if many more people start masking the government will literally ban masks, as they've already been doing in NY. So even though it is the most accessible bit of power against the intentional genocide of immunocompromised people and mass disabling of the population, it's not gonna scale because of the pushback. I don't mean to doom too hard, but it really feels like on top of the lib resistance to masking because they just wanna brunch, we have serious institutional resistance to caring about public health.
You can thank Brandon for gutting the CDC and putting the High Priests of Nurgle in every position that he could. It’s not just COVID anymore, the CDC as an organization now basically exists to facilitate the spread of communicable diseases.
They said kids should go to school with COVID, diarrhea, or lice! Thats fucking insane!!!
They are blaming child behavior problems on remote learning for half a year four years ago, and not the neuroinvasive virus they are repeatedly exposing kids to
I encourage all comrades to never forget the sheer concentrated child abuse that was the push to reopen schools during the pandemic.
For the first 6 months, entire classrooms were being ravaged with 100% infection rates. Kids were getting repeat infections 3, 4, 5+ times a month. And white liberal Karen’s in the office were just treating it as another “teehee kids, what can you do” moment.
An entire generation completely fucked by long covid. Who even knows what the fuck that many COVID infections do on developing minds and bodies.
I’m sure we’ll find out when they all start dropping like flies…
"Why are we 50% below recruitment goals for our war with China?"
"Half the kids that apply have major respiratory issues from long-COVID" 👀
Centre for disease compounding
Nah you're right. I'm just more self-criting and self reflecting than anything.
Some comrades of mine are doing a movie screening this weekend. I'm literally gonna show up, but a ticket, say hi, and leave. No way anyone else there masks.
And also any measures that cost public funds are anathema to conservatives and liberals (albeit to a slightly lesser extent. Harm reduction and all...)
At this point can we just call all of them conservatives?
they sell better, they also don't work. But yea that stuff too once people learn to put a piece of fuckin cloth on their face
imagine walking into a shop that filters all their air through a HEPA and has 2300 windows but some guy literally just breathes in your vicinity.
The tier list is:
not being around people >>>>> masks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything fucking else
Paid time off for sickness and free and easy testing are more effective than masks
In which situation are you more likely to get sick? Being in a room masked with someone with covid? Or the person with covid not being there in the first place because they stayed home with a positive test?
Really you want all of the above, and you can remove some layers if there aren’t cases. Improve filtration and ventilation, give paid time off for illness, frequent and cheap tests, vaccine mandates, and wear masks at least in high traffic areas like transit. Then if cases are higher, lockdowns and mask requirements in places that didn’t require them before.
Basically, do China’s zero covid policy.
No they're not, people can spread it asymptomatically
And the tests have a ~35% false negative rate
But yes paid time off for sickness is always good and should happen, just not the best avenue for dealing with covid
We should be doing PCR tests again, not rapid antigen tests. Do routine testing, not just when symptomatic. Like we were in 2020.
It’s better to have people with covid stay home than be out but wearing masks.
China’s zero-covid policy should be the shining example.
I’m not against masks, I wear my KN95 every time I go in public. But ultimately I don’t want to be wearing it at work all day. And masking in bars and restaurants is obviously not really feasible. Getting kids to keep them on in school all day is difficult.
Masks alone will not stop the spread when bars, restaurants, and schools are all open.
Yes, those are the tests I was referring to.
Time off, ventilation, filtration, and testing definitely work. Masking is an important tool, and yes it is a tool that needs to be employed more, but even the highest quality mask is going to let in viruses if the air concentration is high enough. I'm busy atm, but I'm happy to send sources of requested. Sorry that I'm not referencing my statements at this time.