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TankieTube is suffering from success.

  • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]M
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    7 hours ago

    How much of this is between TankieTube and end users / peer instances vs. back and forth between TankieTube and the object storage provider? I don't know how they're measuring this, but if they are combining upload and download together as "traffic," then you are getting dinged twice for every video TT proxies (download from object storage, upload to end user - and traffic between data centers can rack up FAST). If a lot of round trips are being made between TT and the object storage provider, you might be able to alleviate this somewhat with caching (requiring more local disks) on the instance. Ideally, you should cache as much video as possible on the main server granting whatever headroom is needed for postgres etc. and fetch from object storage only on a cache miss.

    Alternately, depending on the object storage provider, it might be possible for end users to download the media directly from them (using HTTP redirects or a CNAME record), but object storage usually meters bandwidth and charges for it (may be preferable to getting shut down, but also may be EXPENSIVE depending on the host).

    If none of this is sufficient, you might need to look into load balancing / CDN. I know jack shit about this though, I just run a Mastodon instance and keep any media requested from object storage cached on the VPS for 7 days. It does not make optimal use of the disk, but it is sufficient for the use case (MUCH smaller media files, and heavily biased by the user interface towards recent posts).

    • TankieTanuki [he/him]
      hexagon
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      6 hours ago

      The server has a 2 TB SSD and I devote exactly half of it to a nginx cache for the object storage. It caches for up to a year.

      PeerTube doesn't support horizontal scaling so I don't think I can use a load balancer. I don't know much about using CDNs.

      • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]M
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        7 hours ago

        Going by the server stats, that's 10% of the uploaded media, which should be pretty good I imagine (assuming a fraction of videos are popular and get a lot of requests while most videos don't get many views at all).

        I guess another potential thing to look for is if people are deliberately trying to DOS the site. Not quite bringing it down, but draining resources. I could imagine some radlibs or NAFO dorks trying something like this if they caught wind of the place. Could also be caused by scrapers (a growing problem on the Fediverse and the Internet generally, driven by legions of tech bros trying to feed data to their bespoke AI models so they can be bought out by Andreesen-Horowitz).

        • TankieTanuki [he/him]
          hexagon
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          6 hours ago

          I don't know where to begin for traffic monitoring like that. HetrixTools?

          Do scrapers have a reason to download whole videos? Or are they just interested in the comments?

          • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]M
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            6 hours ago

            Do scrapers download whole videos?

            I don't know, each one is designed for a specific purpose. Some people might scrape for archival reasons, some might do it for AI training data, some might do it to build analytic user profiles, some might do it for academic reasons, some might do it to build search indices. I can't think of a great reason to just download all the videos, but people do really dumb shit when someone else is paying the bill.

            I don't know where to begin for traffic monitoring like that. HetrixTools?'

            Unfortunately I don't have any great recommendations here. I'm looking into this myself. Ideally you'll want a tool that can monitor the network interface and aggregate data on bandwidth per IP or MAC. That will at least give you an idea if anything seems egregious. (if it is by IP, it could be a large number of machines behind a NAT though, like a university or something). ntopng has piqued my interest. I might try it out and report back.

            • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]M
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              5 hours ago

              Ntopng seems useful. They're really trying to push licenses for "enterprise" features, but the "community edition" is available under the GPLv3 license and allows you to track throughput to remote hosts. Not sure how much of a performance impact it makes.

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          • Zvyozdochka [she/her, pup/pup's]
            cake
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            6 hours ago

            Grafana & Prometheus is a good place to start, PeerTube even has a guide on how to monitor your PeerTube instance with them https://docs.joinpeertube.org/maintain/observability