It seems harder to persuade libs than it is to persuade people entirely disconnected from politics
It absolutely is. Libs have made a choice about where they stand just like we have. We need to start accepting that. Its not just the US propaganda and living within liberal ideology. At this point they've seen all the failures of everything they believe in and they've doubled down. They've fully embraced "voting for the lesser evil" as a theory of change. They've watched the country they uncritically believe is good genocide Palestinians and completely accept it as a non issue.
The main thing for me is how libs nitpick and fight into fake ideas that they think are a 'progressive middle ground' which are just extremely evil and unserious. I distinctly remember a lib explaining an elaborate plan of how they would have NATO build a giant wall to enforce a two-state-solution and I just kinda started losing it and showing them pictures of the west bank barrier on my phone. They kept insisting that if NATO ran the wall it would stop israel from expanding.
They kept insisting that if NATO ran the wall it would stop israel from expanding.
The UN peacekeepers in Lebanon are currently illustrating exactly how that would go even if NATO troops actually somehow cared about trying to do that (which they would not)
Well of course not. #1 it would require knowing about the material and geopolitical realities which they don't. #2 it would require them to consider that material conditions matter more than their idealist hasbara that this is a conflict that's gone on for "thousands of years" because some people don't like other people because religion or something
It absolutely is. Libs have made a choice about where they stand just like we have. We need to start accepting that. Its not just the US propaganda and living within liberal ideology. At this point they've seen all the failures of everything they believe in and they've doubled down. They've fully embraced "voting for the lesser evil" as a theory of change. They've watched the country they uncritically believe is good genocide Palestinians and completely accept it as a non issue.
Libs have made a choice
The main thing for me is how libs nitpick and fight into fake ideas that they think are a 'progressive middle ground' which are just extremely evil and unserious. I distinctly remember a lib explaining an elaborate plan of how they would have NATO build a giant wall to enforce a two-state-solution and I just kinda started losing it and showing them pictures of the west bank barrier on my phone. They kept insisting that if NATO ran the wall it would stop israel from expanding.
The UN peacekeepers in Lebanon are currently illustrating exactly how that would go even if NATO troops actually somehow cared about trying to do that (which they would not)
All the bizarre ways libs come up with to "solve" things, but never once do they suggest ending the apartheid.
Nor do they ever factor in material and geopolitical realities in their schemes.
Well of course not. #1 it would require knowing about the material and geopolitical realities which they don't. #2 it would require them to consider that material conditions matter more than their idealist hasbara that this is a conflict that's gone on for "thousands of years" because some people don't like other people because religion or something