I'm guessing it's like Christianity where there are leftist Christians who follow Jesus' more progressive messages such as giving to the less fortunate and healing the sick, and then there are the scary Christian evangelicals that want A Handmaids Tale and conversion therapy. Logically, Islam probably isn't a monolith in a similar way other religions aren't.

However, I have never heard about what those of the Islamic faith actually believe outside of the hysterical post 9/11 Islamophobia I've been indoctrinated with as a child.

I want to know what the truth is and hear the other sides story. To me it's obvious that Islamophobia is wrong, however when Islamophobes make wild claims about it, I can't really refute them confidently because I'm simply ignorant of the facts. Please educate my dumb, white ass.

    • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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      The OG Zionists were atheist Jews who opportunistically used a religious text revealed by a God they don't even believe in to claim Palestine as their own. If anything, it was the more religiously observant Jews who resisted Zionism because they saw the bunk pushed by those particular atheist Jews as the bunk that it was. And while secular Bundism is no more, anti-Zionist Hasidic communities still exist.

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      • Monk3brain3 [any, he/him]
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        And? So many of the current Israeli are religious fundamentalists. Jews are an ethno religious group and making Israel a country for Jews (literally their law) is both an ethno nationalist and religio nationalist project.

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      • Monk3brain3 [any, he/him]
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        ACKSHULLY their religion is the sole source of their suffering and how they're

        Your words not mine

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          • Monk3brain3 [any, he/him]
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            Is religion a progressive force or not? I'm just here to point out it's not. Dressing up my stance with your imagined motivations is a you problem. And I actually think that religion and capitalism are so tied up together at this point that a post capitalist world will have to come hand in hand with a post religious world.

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              • Monk3brain3 [any, he/him]
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                The new atheists are just a bunch of racists and that piece of shit Dawkins literally calls himself a cultural Christian.

                Also in case it isn't clear the religion most tied in with capitalism is Christianity and the religion that has caused by far the most damage and will continue to do so in the future is Christianity.

                I think all this Islamophobic propaganda which is at its core an racist project and not an anti religion project has made people reluctant to see or unaware of the harm other religions cause.

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                  • Monk3brain3 [any, he/him]
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                    Dawkins is obviously an atheist but a racist and the religious umbrella of Christian fundamentalism is a comfortable habitat for him.

            • AssortedBiscuits [they/them]
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              I'm curious how he'd explain countries like China being so anti-religion, in practice if not in rhetoric?

              China is not remotely anti-religion in practice.

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      • Monk3brain3 [any, he/him]
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        Not American. Not white. I really don't know what image you've cooked up in your head

            • SuperNovaCouchGuy2 [any]
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              Actually you know what, in the spirit of making this site a better place to use for everyone and since you didn't really say anything bad I am sorry for aggressively responding to your original post and wrongly insulting your intelligence, very bad behaviour on my part. Next time it would have been better for me to start a productive discussion about the relationship between religious thought and the superstructure of class society. Unironically hope you have a good day.

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