I wish I had the faith you did, but all I'm seeing right now is everyone blaming the left for this. Libs are pissed and openly wishing for Palestinians to get bombed and immigrants deported. I don't see any path for socialists to take here besides just cracking open a beer and hoping China invades soon. I may need to grab a six pack. Nah fuck that a case.
Nah, I'm having so much luck with talking to squishy left-libs rn its crazy. Even some blueanon russiagate types seem to be understanding how much of a dead end the dems are. off to c/doomer with this sentiment.
There is a difference between the terminally online liberal, who make up the vast majority of posters coping online, VS a lot of people I'm talking with offline are in a major depressive state. The latter aren't posting on Reddit/Twitter/etc right now, and are very receptive to an alternative view.
Those are not the people who are going to be organized, they are fascists taking their masks off. The average Black and Indigenous person in America does not think this way. The average Muslim, Arab, or even Asians in general most likely do not think this way. Communists organize the most marginalized and oppressed, not fully invested liberals.
The average Black and Indigenous person in America does not think this way. The average Muslim, Arab, or even Asians in general most likely do not think this way. Communists organize the most marginalized and oppressed, not fully invested liberals.
I agree 100%, I've been making a point of following BIPOC leftist content creators, because I've noticed leftists communities are still very white, the most followed leftist content creators are still mostly white, and it bothers me. I think we need more amplification of BIPOC voices within all leftist communities.
which is why I said fully invested. if they aren't invested enough to vote, they are just default libs because they were born here, just like literally everyone else who was born here, you and me included.
I agree generally that people in this country no matter their class background benefit enough from imperialism and the domestic slave colony to not put effort into their own political development. I do think however, after a decade of serious organizing, nearly all the best comrades I've ever met have more to gain from the status quo than they do by being communists. They devote their lives to it because it is right, and they have seen too much to go back. The average person does benefit but also agrees with every socialist policy and just thinks it isn't attainable because they have never been educated about politics beyond the default programming. Literally our jobs as communists to find those people and show them that they can change things and how.
I definitely get your concern, but while the libs are lashing out like that I don't think you should take it that seriously. The people who can be worked with and recruited aren't the ones talking right now, so its important we can find them and work with them before the right does.
I wish I had the faith you did, but all I'm seeing right now is everyone blaming the left for this. Libs are pissed and openly wishing for Palestinians to get bombed and immigrants deported. I don't see any path for socialists to take here besides just cracking open a beer and hoping China invades soon. I may need to grab a six pack. Nah fuck that a case.
Nah, I'm having so much luck with talking to squishy left-libs rn its crazy. Even some blueanon russiagate types seem to be understanding how much of a dead end the dems are. off to c/doomer with this sentiment.
Online, yes.
Offline, no!
Fuck online liberals. They are glorified keyboard warriors.
We live in the digital age, everyone is online. IDK where everyone gets this idea that online libs dissipate into ether when they log off.
There is a difference between the terminally online liberal, who make up the vast majority of posters coping online, VS a lot of people I'm talking with offline are in a major depressive state. The latter aren't posting on Reddit/Twitter/etc right now, and are very receptive to an alternative view.
Those are not the people who are going to be organized, they are fascists taking their masks off. The average Black and Indigenous person in America does not think this way. The average Muslim, Arab, or even Asians in general most likely do not think this way. Communists organize the most marginalized and oppressed, not fully invested liberals.
I agree 100%, I've been making a point of following BIPOC leftist content creators, because I've noticed leftists communities are still very white, the most followed leftist content creators are still mostly white, and it bothers me. I think we need more amplification of BIPOC voices within all leftist communities.
Outside of CHUDs, fully invested liberals are well over half the population
I think almost half the eligible voting population didn't vote and there's a massive base of people who are not eligible to vote beyond that.
Most of those people are still Libs, they're just lazy Libs
which is why I said fully invested. if they aren't invested enough to vote, they are just default libs because they were born here, just like literally everyone else who was born here, you and me included.
They're default libs because it's in their material interest. That's not going to change, at least not for a little bit.
I agree generally that people in this country no matter their class background benefit enough from imperialism and the domestic slave colony to not put effort into their own political development. I do think however, after a decade of serious organizing, nearly all the best comrades I've ever met have more to gain from the status quo than they do by being communists. They devote their lives to it because it is right, and they have seen too much to go back. The average person does benefit but also agrees with every socialist policy and just thinks it isn't attainable because they have never been educated about politics beyond the default programming. Literally our jobs as communists to find those people and show them that they can change things and how.
I definitely get your concern, but while the libs are lashing out like that I don't think you should take it that seriously. The people who can be worked with and recruited aren't the ones talking right now, so its important we can find them and work with them before the right does.