This is the talking point. The "dirtbag left" is dead. We need to quash our irony and take advantage of the moment.
Get serious and talk to your liberals this week.
I just emailed the PSL to figure out what it will take to set up a chapter where I am. I'm not a paying member yet but will join officially as soon as I'm making money.
Gonna be hard as hell setting up in the Texas Panhandle, deep in Christo-fascist Trump land but fuck it. I'm not gonna stand by idly why my bothers and sisters suffer.
Organize. Agitate. Fight Back!
Honestly it would probably be more strategic to start something that directly helps the local people and opens them up to inoculation than try and start a PSL chapter
When I sent the application request thing, I stated that I wanted to discuss the prospects of doing this exactly for reasons like what you mention. I will probably already bring it up to the others who help with FNB because I think they are all left-leaning libs at worst, that mean well. I think they are more open to that discussion.
tbh I doubt they would even get back to you for that, PSL is notoriously bad at getting back to people in general while also only helping people to promote PSL and Peace & Freedom's candidates or show up to ANSWER stuff. maybe they will be changing these things with the election over, trying to use the momentum to build their party up.
I think non political people who have the standard 8th grade civ level of understanding installed and otherwise are just obviously people who care about life and other living things are really the best because it is easy to walk them to "the system doesn't work," they typically understand that already and just don't have the words to describe it. getting a group of people in similar shitty circumstances together and forming a plan on how to tackle those issues through building an organization together can be as easy as a bbq in the lawn at your local slumlord's apartment building. just need to analyze your local conditions and find the contradictions that have the most kinetic energy so to speak
They would be missing a great opportunity to build their party if they don't personally act on this. I've been out of activism IRL for a few years but I know a lot of people are really pissed off right now and the PSL did a decent job getting their name out to at least leftist spaces.
DM me, we're actively running a drive to make sure we capitalize this momentum. We can exchange matrix info and I'll try to get you in contact with someone and make sure your application is seen.
They never got back to me last time so this time I told them I'm pissed lol.
I have a handful of people I can reach out to but I'm already worried about getting them to read theory.
Good luck, comrade. The hardest struggles are sometimes the most important.
The realization that theres a non insignificant amount of Americans who hate the status quo but didn't vote for Trump is actually a good wake up call. Its going to be an absolute uphill battle, but leftism actually has a chance of having an actual movement in America.
Im gonna see if theres any orgs I can join near me, and I hope that everyone else can too.
Joining an existing org is most likely for the best, but also consider rolling your own. You can do both, ofc (just campaign within your miniparty to disband and convert to the larger org you're working with at some point).
Thinking about dropping links to Blackshirts and Reds even more aggressively
Honey, I don't think I can look at anyone who consented to genocide knowing full well what we're doing with anything but disgust. If you're capable of organizing then please organize. I want off Mr. MERICA's wild ride.
I'm feeling that. I don't wanna lash out at the wrong people, but seeing folks who were apathetic on bombing starving populations, suddenly comparing themselves to Katniss because Kamala lost. I'm gonna clear my head with a run before engaging in convo with any more libs.
I wish I had the faith you did, but all I'm seeing right now is everyone blaming the left for this. Libs are pissed and openly wishing for Palestinians to get bombed and immigrants deported. I don't see any path for socialists to take here besides just cracking open a beer and hoping China invades soon. I may need to grab a six pack. Nah fuck that a case.
Those are not the people who are going to be organized, they are fascists taking their masks off. The average Black and Indigenous person in America does not think this way. The average Muslim, Arab, or even Asians in general most likely do not think this way. Communists organize the most marginalized and oppressed, not fully invested liberals.
The average Black and Indigenous person in America does not think this way. The average Muslim, Arab, or even Asians in general most likely do not think this way. Communists organize the most marginalized and oppressed, not fully invested liberals.
I agree 100%, I've been making a point of following BIPOC leftist content creators, because I've noticed leftists communities are still very white, the most followed leftist content creators are still mostly white, and it bothers me. I think we need more amplification of BIPOC voices within all leftist communities.
not fully invested liberals.
Outside of CHUDs, fully invested liberals are well over half the population
I think almost half the eligible voting population didn't vote and there's a massive base of people who are not eligible to vote beyond that.
Most of those people are still Libs, they're just lazy Libs
which is why I said fully invested. if they aren't invested enough to vote, they are just default libs because they were born here, just like literally everyone else who was born here, you and me included.
They're default libs because it's in their material interest. That's not going to change, at least not for a little bit.
I agree generally that people in this country no matter their class background benefit enough from imperialism and the domestic slave colony to not put effort into their own political development. I do think however, after a decade of serious organizing, nearly all the best comrades I've ever met have more to gain from the status quo than they do by being communists. They devote their lives to it because it is right, and they have seen too much to go back. The average person does benefit but also agrees with every socialist policy and just thinks it isn't attainable because they have never been educated about politics beyond the default programming. Literally our jobs as communists to find those people and show them that they can change things and how.
Nah, I'm having so much luck with talking to squishy left-libs rn its crazy. Even some blueanon russiagate types seem to be understanding how much of a dead end the dems are. off to c/doomer with this sentiment.
We live in the digital age, everyone is online. IDK where everyone gets this idea that online libs dissipate into ether when they log off.
There is a difference between the terminally online liberal, who make up the vast majority of posters coping online, VS a lot of people I'm talking with offline are in a major depressive state. The latter aren't posting on Reddit/Twitter/etc right now, and are very receptive to an alternative view.
I definitely get your concern, but while the libs are lashing out like that I don't think you should take it that seriously. The people who can be worked with and recruited aren't the ones talking right now, so its important we can find them and work with them before the right does.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
No actually now is the time for doomerism and apathy, please do not go out and do any sort of leftism please
None of it please
but if you do want to do some, I've got a hookup for some prime fertilizer. Just call me and I'll drop by with a buddy who can learn you all about it
Good idea, that will help us start farming so that we can achieve food independence
y'all go ahead, I'm spending the next week doing the most insufferable gloating right in the faces of the smug liberals who chided me for caring about genocide
Sent in my PSL application! Does anyone know how selective they are for members?
Varies a lot based on a specific branch's needs and status. Sometimes branches are in periods of aggressive growth, sometimes periods of internal consolidation with minimal onboards. But almost branches are going into growth mode after the election.
It sounds like you haven't talked to a liberal in the last 12 hours. They're fucking ripe and as socialists we need to capitalize on it and bring people into the fold.
It sucks that they won't see it unless it comes to this (my positions are the same as they were yesterday), but it doesn't matter. Surely you know at least a couple of people who are eligible for re-education?
They are SO RIPE. It's wild. I haven't made inroads like this ever.
The popular vote loss has completely devastated them and their worldview.
I know! Reviving my Lemmy.ml account and tenderly walking libs to theory is easy as hell now.
Drop a comment on my latest post, especially if you have some critique or anything to add.
https://hexbear.net/post/3844025
Where I’m at they sure are devastated and confused but I can’t see what comes of this besides “everything bad is because of trump and everyone who disagrees that Biden made everything perfect is evil.”
I was expecting the same but the popular vote loss seems to have really hit them
Good luck where you’re at. Here I’ve got “it’s all misogyny and people not hearing enough about Biden Ws.”
It sounds like you haven't talked to a liberal in the last 12 hours.
I have
They're fucking ripe
Really? I've just been seeing them dig their heels in and get even more reactionary. I have about as much faith in the American people as I do a in a dried up dog turd.
it open and honest discussion was going to change the world it would have already. only thing that will cause change is a massive decrease in peoples material conditions. which was always going to keep happening, might just happen at a different speed now.
Yeah without the guidance of a socialist party though, the changes caused by massive decreases in material conditions are .... unappealing.
It is our duty to organize wherever we are, and this is an opportunity in spite of everything else about it.
only thing that will cause change is a massive decrease in peoples material conditions
this is just giving up but communistly. we don't really know what's going to work because every revolution is different. all we can do is try. and frankly talking to libs is the least we can do.
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