Wages rising 12% every year from the CPC throwing their weight around in the economy, income tripling or more in the poorer regions across the board, a highly effective dictatorship of the proletariat, massive infrastructure projects designed to uplift the poorest regions of China and poorest nations in the world, and being overtaking the USA as the most successful and prosperous nation while broadcasting communist ideology and disassociating communism from poverty and stagnation.
They're also the primary trading partner
for both the remaining orthodox socialist nations and those under siege by American imperialism.
Because anti imperialism/antiamericanism, greater degree of interventionism in the economy and the possibility of them supporting leftists in other countries. I kinda understand it, these are legitimate in general. But I don't understand why someone would use them for propaganda.
Also some people hold the hope that since nothing else works China will come in and press the socialism button one day for everyone.
Also it's not just that they don't have universal healthcare, their healthcare is actually significantly worse than the US. Which is somewhat understandable since they are very poor comparatively, however even poorer countries do better a lot of the time.
in china, patients murder doctors instead of the other way around
generally, issues that can be solved by going to the ER in the US are much cheaper in china. it's when you get into more capital intensive illnesses that you become just as fucked as an american (if not more so). the systemic problem is that doctors are generally less motivated to provide quality service since their salaries are so incredibly low that they get more returns on being good paper pushers and taking bribes than being good doctors. increased rule of law (read: actual consequences) has the bribery on a steady downward trend.
the government has been unwilling to further subsidize doctor salaries (they've actually been on a downward trend for a while now), and the 'solution' in recent years has been to promote public/private partnerships in the various departments in order to indirectly offload the cost on to the consumer in the form of diagnostics and other consumable tech, of which the doctors can get a cut. this has created a situation in which quality coverage has become more concentrated in capital-dense areas and people only ever go to the big name hospitals for anything. the government's response to this has been to throw money at the smaller public clinics to entice people coming in with easy fixes away from the bigger hospitals so that the specialists there can do specialist things instead of spending 90% of their time treating stubbed toes.
They don’t even have universal healthcare? Can somebody remind me why we like them so much?
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Well yeah although the counterpoint is 1) Cuba and 2) they used to have more or less universal healthcare before the market reforms.
Wages rising 12% every year from the CPC throwing their weight around in the economy, income tripling or more in the poorer regions across the board, a highly effective dictatorship of the proletariat, massive infrastructure projects designed to uplift the poorest regions of China and poorest nations in the world, and being overtaking the USA as the most successful and prosperous nation while broadcasting communist ideology and disassociating communism from poverty and stagnation.
They're also the primary trading partner for both the remaining orthodox socialist nations and those under siege by American imperialism.
Economic development is not evidence of socialism. Countries like Japan or SK industrialized even faster than China.
Because anti imperialism/antiamericanism, greater degree of interventionism in the economy and the possibility of them supporting leftists in other countries. I kinda understand it, these are legitimate in general. But I don't understand why someone would use them for propaganda.
Also some people hold the hope that since nothing else works China will come in and press the socialism button one day for everyone.
Also it's not just that they don't have universal healthcare, their healthcare is actually significantly worse than the US. Which is somewhat understandable since they are very poor comparatively, however even poorer countries do better a lot of the time.
in china, patients murder doctors instead of the other way around
generally, issues that can be solved by going to the ER in the US are much cheaper in china. it's when you get into more capital intensive illnesses that you become just as fucked as an american (if not more so). the systemic problem is that doctors are generally less motivated to provide quality service since their salaries are so incredibly low that they get more returns on being good paper pushers and taking bribes than being good doctors. increased rule of law (read: actual consequences) has the bribery on a steady downward trend.
the government has been unwilling to further subsidize doctor salaries (they've actually been on a downward trend for a while now), and the 'solution' in recent years has been to promote public/private partnerships in the various departments in order to indirectly offload the cost on to the consumer in the form of diagnostics and other consumable tech, of which the doctors can get a cut. this has created a situation in which quality coverage has become more concentrated in capital-dense areas and people only ever go to the big name hospitals for anything. the government's response to this has been to throw money at the smaller public clinics to entice people coming in with easy fixes away from the bigger hospitals so that the specialists there can do specialist things instead of spending 90% of their time treating stubbed toes.
tldr; complicated
Yeah it's true that for minor things it is not as bad.