1. Marx agreed that capitalism is very good at rapid economic growth, which is why Lenin implemented the NEP and Deng Xiaoping implemented the liberal reforms. So why abandon that completely for the system like in Cuba or North Korea which are very inefficient and grow slowly?

  2. Norway, Sweden, Iceland etc are the best places to live on earth. Clearly social democracy has provided the goods. Of course in recent years, due to neoliberalism, those countries are not as great places to live anymore, but they are still the best in the world. So why are you against social democracy if when implemented correctly, it is the best system we have seen? Communism also if not implemented correctly produced horrific results, its all about the implementation. Ideas alone are not enough.

  3. The vast majority of workers do not want communism. How will you try to establish communism democratically when people dont want it? When people say they want socialism, they usually talk about social programs or nationalization of key industries, rather than implementing Cuba or North Korea economy, no one wants that.

EDIT : I have another question. Are communists willing to work with social-democrats? Obviously neoliberalism and fascism are bigger threats, so wouldnt it make sense to vote for and support social democrats like AOC in USA or Corbyn in UK or Mélenchon in France?

  • dead [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    All of leftist theory is predicated on the idea that there are primarily two large economic classes with inherent conflict of interests. The capitalist class is a group of people who collect capital by owning things and/or extracting surplus value from wage labor. The working class is a group of people who have to sell their labor for a wage. If the working class works harder to produce more things and/or is payed a lower wage, then the capitalist class benefits and working class suffers. Inversely, if the working class works less hard to produce less things and/or is payed a higher wage, then the capitalist class suffers and the working class benefits. Leftists want the capitalist class to not exist. Capitalists should control 0% of the economy. Capitalists should not exist because they are parasitic to the working class and do not add value to the labor process. Workers should control 100% of the economy and if a government is needed to seize the ownership from the capitalists, then so be it.

    • sozialdemokraten [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I more or less agree with this. My main differences is that I want to do this democratically, and secondly, worker ownership is distinct from government ownership for me. A shoe factory owned by workers who profit from it is different from a shoe factory owned by the governmet that employs workers. I would prefer to work in a place that is entirely controlled and owned by the people working there, rather than some government buearucrat. Also the democracy part is kinda important to me. The solution to lack of democracy under capitalism is not even less democracy under socialism.

      • Sus [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        You want some brand of syndicalism or other anarchism flavor by the sound of it. Most people on this site are Marxist-Leninists of some kind and hold the belief that a vanguard is necessary to establish communism - usually that's a reclaimed People's government that removes the capitalist class.

        Anarchism is more of an end state of communism and involves all unjust hierarchies being abolished and power itself being destroyed or decentralized so all members of a community or business have equal voting right in it.