• Zagorath@aussie.zone
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    8 months ago

    Thus I do not accept claims about “genocide” committed by the US’ main rival without good evidence

    It's very easy to say this, because it means you can just reject any evidence to the contrary as "not good" or "biased".

    Separating children from their parents. Raising them to be assimilated with the majority culture. Clamping down on their expression of their culture. These are all acts of genocide.

    The most untrustworthy source here is the Chinese government themselves. Any report from a country should be treated with scepticism, but none more so than when that country clamps down on the free press.

    We have so many reports out of Xinjiang. Leaks from people in the province itself. Reports from the family of people there. Evidence inferred from satellite imagery and what information is publicly available from the Chinese government. There's just no denying it. You can choose to pretend China's doing nothing wrong if you like. I hope you sleep well, knowing you're defending genocide.

    • raven [he/him]
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      8 months ago

      It's very easy to say this, because it means you can just reject any evidence to the contrary as "not good" or "biased".

      Accusations of genocide aren't a fucking game. It's either happening or it isn't. Either the evidence is good or the evidence is bad (and all evidence is biased) So give us some good evidence.

      • Zagorath@aussie.zone
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        8 months ago

        What evidence would you accept? Because you act as though you've already convinced yourself it's not real and wouldn't accept any evidence to the contrary. What, precisely, would convince you that you're wrong, if firsthand accounts aren't good enough?

        • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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          8 months ago

          How about firsthand testimony that can be corroborated. If you've ever been in court for anything, it's standard to not simply take whatever story you hear at face value.

          So point to a story you're saying is true, then show how it can be corroborated (by video? by documentation?). Show how there is no realiatic alternate explanation. Explain how your corroborated story amounts to genocide, and isn't just a story about someone being arrested, for instance.

        • raven [he/him]
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          8 months ago

          https://www.npr.org/2021/06/10/1005263835/new-report-details-firsthand-accounts-of-torture-from-uyghur-muslims-in-china This is the first result when I typed in "uyghur firsthand account"
          I'll read it when I get home in a few hours unless you have another source(s) you'd prefer.

    • HumanBehaviorByBjork [any, undecided]
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      8 months ago

      "Freedom of the press" is a joke. I can see what our "free press" is doing with the butchery of Gaza. At a certain point you have to accept that your understanding of the facts is not, and has never been unmediated.

      Here is a good starting point if you want to understand the ways this has happened and more critically evaluate it.

      • Zagorath@aussie.zone
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        8 months ago

        “Freedom of the press” is a joke

        Yes, I know that's what China believes. That's why it's so important.

        • ShimmeringKoi [comrade/them]
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          8 months ago

          Our prudent and judicious public broadcasting institutions

          VS

          Their tyrannical censored state propaganda centersso-true

        • BeamBrain [he/him]
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          8 months ago

          “All over the world, wherever there are capitalists, freedom of the press means freedom to buy up newspapers, to buy writers, to bribe, buy and fake 'public opinion' for the benefit of the bourgeoisie.”

          Read theory

        • GarbageShoot [he/him]
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          8 months ago

          Can you make a coherent argument from their position, or do you not understand your own boogeyman?