Got to find a leftiest place.
Removed by modBanned for making bad (and kind racist) “xinnie the poo” jokes, lmfao
If they told the truth, how could they make a post about being a victim of the evil "lefties?"
Not sure why Winnie the poo is marked as racism when it specifically refers to one person and has nothing to do with that persons race
Not sure why rothschild conspiracies are marked as antisemitism when they specifically refer to one family and have nothing to do with that family's judaism
Not sure why $oro$ is marked as racism when it specifically refers to one person and has "nothing to do" with that person's race.
Really makes you think.
nothing to do with that persons race
Oh, really? Comparing an Chinese man to a yellow skinned character has nothing to do with race?
And calling the uhygur genocide bad is spreading nazi disinformation ? Hahahaha
I'm not going to look up the context, but if you're randomly shouting "uhygur genocide" in a thread about UN voting to end US embargo on Cuba, US and Israel oppose, that specific type of whataboutism does sound suspicious like parroting nazi disinformation.
It's spreading US disinfo, which might as well be the 4th Reich soooo yeah pretty much
You see that's kind of where the problem is. You can say there's a genocide and I can say "where" and that gives me the vibe of a genocide denier. I've looked for evidence, I've asked for evidence, but the best I've ever gotten is a satellite image of some prison in China, some (AI padded) mugshots with no context, and some thorough browbeating by very serious liberals.
Let me put this another way. I'm of Jewish descent. My great aunt was in a camp. I'm not trying to "deny" any genocides, but what should my standard of evidence be? Particularly when there is a clear incentive for western media to create false narratives about their enemies, and have done so before?
If you have something to present that I haven't seen, I and the other "tankies" are wide open to engage with it.
I'm still a proud leftist, but geez nothing has made me question that stance more than seeing how fervently the tankies deny genocides and defend aggressive warmongering—as long as the country perpetrating it is one that calls itself "communist", or is a successor to one that used to call itself communist.
If that were true then we'd all be falling over ourselves to defend Pol Pot instead of calling him a shit and a CIA puppet and not wanting anything to do with him.
See also the most common opinion on Gonzalo (yes I know there are Gonzalites, haven't seen them around here though).
how fervently the tankies deny genocides
wait did they deny the real ones or the made up ones?
Tankies on Lemmy like to pretend China isn't committing genocide against Uyghurs.
Ok, the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia committed genocide when they were nominally communist at the time. Is that good enough for you? It's the most noteworthy example I can think of. Actually maybe the Shining Path too, in Peru. I never liked them or their methods.
The supposed genocide in Xinjiang is not at all the same thing. There's no open warfare, rebellion, nothing to suggest what western nations are claiming is happening. The only evidence I've seen is that prisons exist in Xinjiang, and their prisons are much like prisons anywhere else on the world. All other evidence I've seen comes from one specific person, the deluded mind of Adrian Zenz. A man who cannot speak Chinese, has never lived in China, and he's one guy.
Horseshoe theory only makes sense if you don't think about it for even one second.
So, not surprised it makes total sense to you
Horseshoe theory doesn't make sense. That's the thing.
Until suddenly you start seeing people who call themselves leftists denying genocide. Which is something we usually think of as being a quality of the far-right.
(The obvious solution here, of course, is that these people who call themselves leftists...aren't. Because if leftism is about equality, there's nothing equal about subjecting a people and preventing the continuance of their culture.)
Hm, so you're saying that every political faction "denies genocide and defends aggressive warmongering"? Could it perhaps be that every faction gets accused at one point or another of genocide and aggressive warmongering, and it's your responsibility as a political person to use your brain to figure out who is lying?
Except that I'm a Swiss socialist and that I'm taking my sources from very left wing ONG that I work with ?
getting your sources from a "very left wing NGO" how about actual socialists if you're a 'socialist.' I get that you're
SwedishSwiss, we have more people in prison doing forced labor in America than in these 'genocide camps' so it's really hard to take people seriously when they act like 'genocide' in China should somehow be at the forefront of what leftists in the west concern themselves with.
if i had to guess, probably. it's somewhat of a plausibly-deniable dogwhistle for 'asian = yellow'. not saying you meant that, just that I don't blame the mods for their hypervigilance here
Oh wow. I honestly didn't thought about that. I may be an ass sometime but... not like that :o !
i wonder why western redditors found a depiction of an asian president as a fat yellow bear and a black president as a character called Tigger so funny 🤔 definitely no racism here, no sir
There's no racial component to it at all
That's a pretty bold statement to make. Have you seen the west?
Wow, look at this racism denial from the same person who was criticizing Tankies for genocide denial.
"The meme was started by a Chinese person, therefore it can't be racist" is just a new veneer on "black rappers use the n-word in music, therefore it's not racist if I use it."
Have you considered that the meme might have different impact coming from a Chinese person ribbing their leader than a white westerner echoing it? The former might be "light ribbing" but the later is racist. Who says a thing matters significantly on whether its ok to say. You know this very well because I'd hope you'd know that its not ok for white people to use the soft r n word even though many black people use it.
the Chinese government decided to crack down on it hard
Deleting some memes from Weibo isn't a "hard" crackdown, westerners just want to pretend it is and for some reason still care ten years later.
You were banned for whataboutism. We take it extremely seriously.
So if someone say Christianism sucks because it's a religion and I respond by saying all religions sucks, is that whataboutism ? Excuse me if I just think that it's better to criticize everyone than a specific group of person...
Taken very seriously, and applied very selectively. That mod team loves to put their thumb on the scale.
Not agreeing with the system of having nations is one thing, but you can’t just not believe they’re there
Nations are a sociological formation that objectively exist in the world. Even fucking fascists have better education than you, and not because their education is impressive.
I checked and you weren't banned for mentioning Tienanmen square, no one cared. You were temp banned (30 days) for using racist language, holocaust denial, and promoting the Uigur concentration camp conspiracy theory and lying about what your sources are.
Nope. It was about mocking the Chinease president, saying that Russia and China were dictatorships and yes calling the Uigur genocide, without denying any other genocides... you're the one that deny it and lying like a politician or a government drone. You don't have any idea what my sources are. That's pathetic...
You going to provide any sources? Are those sources going to be tied to Adrian Zenz?
Are those sources going to be tied to Adrian Zenz?
Narrator: they were
www.nchrd.org/
https://www.amnesty.be/campagne/discrimination/ouighours-victimes-crimes-humanite/ouighours
https://unric.org/fr/rapport-onu-ouighours-chine/
So.. relying on Zenz, RFA, or Amnesty international, known for the famous "saddam is killing babies in incubators" lie to support a US campaign of genocide.
Huh.
Can you find any reports of an increase in terrorism in the area? Groups being discriminated against so heavily will always resort to violent self defense.
Can you find any reports of mass refugees? Groups being targeted by genocide always try to flee to other places where they won't be targeted.
Oh Okay sorry China is a country ruled by nice friendly people that loves freedom of speech, culture, people. You should go live there. Also Putin is as nice as a koala and just want to save babies. You can go back to sleep. Thank you for enlighting me.
You know, China can have problems without being comically evil, right?
I have friends who immigrated from China or live here part time, it is just a normal country. Maybe free-er and more democratic in some ways than here, and worse in some other aspects.
✅ casual homophobia
✅ owns a gender-affirming vehicle
✅ accusing other people of being like Trump
✅ 'canadian'
to be frank I don't really trust your ability to assess the truth of anything
The moment liberals face any push back on their accusations, out come the homophobic insults.
Can you find any reports of an increase in terrorism in the area? Groups being discriminated against so heavily will always resort to violent self defense.
Can you find any reports of mass refugees? Groups being targeted by genocide always try to flee to other places where they won’t be targeted.
yes i too use the legit source of 'MAN SENT BY GOD TO DESTROY CHINA'
very very academic and objective
So you weren't banned for "mentioning Tiananmen Square." You were just lying about that.
Would you be surprised to find out there weren't WMDs either? If you want an extensive set of answers, I'd recommend using the search feature, but secondarily there are many different "askX" comms to source it from
If you're so knowledgeable about the situation that you can be so certain that it's happening that you consider doubt invalid, why don't you know how to spell Uyghur?
Palestine and Yemen don't believe it either, after sending delegations. You know, two Muslim majority countries that are experiencing genocide.
You have access to Reddit backend? I am curious if you can see why I was banned, as I have an idea but they deleted my comment and said I was banned from it /r/MuuaadDib is my account. Just curious, if not no big I was on there for a long time to be banned for such a silly reason. Cheers! To be honest this smaller community seems a little better thus far.
Every single time I see these complaints about getting banned I look through the modlog and find them saying something racist or transphobic. This isn't an exception.
lol you casually make racist "winnie the pooh" jokes like any random right winger.
I think ultimately your problem is that ideas that were normalized to you on
just don't hold up to scrutiny, and even the academic neoliberal consensus on most of these issues is different from what predditors treat as self-evident. Enculturation is like that, and I wish you a speedy recovery.Or that I'm not influenced by extremist narrative one side or the other.
Congratulations then, you're the pinnacle of humanity, unburdened with living among ideology like the rest of us sloppy piggies.
i love how moderates think their position is correct because they've whitewashed it to hell
I'll ignore the fact that you're lying about what got you banned for this response.
Even the western far right media has moved on from the original Tiananmen narrative, which it acknowledges was false. The actual events played out more accurately to exactly what China has always said they were.
The only people still pushing the original shit are anticommunists and racists because it's more convenient to their goals to perpetuate it.
Try actually listening and learning the actual facts from people in the left and then you won't run into this problem. You're getting banned and ridiculed by actual leftists because you're further right and less educated on this topic than the fucking media of far right conservative tories ffs.
This is what happens when you get your political education from fucking reddit.
Learn properly: https://archive.ph/24zzF
See this is just a complete refusal to engage with the topic or learn anything. Have you grown as a human being at all in the last 10 years or did you just decide one day that you have achieved political nirvana and there is never anything else you need to understand or expand your knowledge of? Your refusal to actually learn anything is a deep character flaw and a huge personal failure.
I'm going to repost something from @Alaskaball@hexbear.net, maybe you'll read some of it.
The Chinese description of the events leading up to and the day of the protests are very probably the closest thing to accurate that exists.
Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.
The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 (translated here) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.
Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.
What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?
The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.
Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we're talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn't die from old age that year, none of this would've happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with "freedom" or "democracy" or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we're talking about.
Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he's fucked around Korea and Laos, so it's not a stretch to say he's likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his "post" CIA career he's acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and "helped" South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election "democratically", and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.
That's the difference with you. I learn in universities, reading reports and works. Not on echo chambers on the web. I just like to argue with people on the internet in a language I don't master while I'm in the train.
Unlike you I actually have 2 degrees. If you engaged with this topic in this way in a university the history professor would fail you.
You don't give a fuck about sources, evidence, or anything. You are utterly closed to new information. You are one of the most deeply propagandised people on the planet, from the most deeply propagandised population on the planet.
How the fuck are the sources they used "echo chambers on the Web?"
What are your sources then? Or are you just trying to invoke the idea of being so well read to cover up the fact you're full of shit.
Literally the US Army has published videos that claim they were involved in the Tiananmen protests.
Wall Street Journal, a notorious Hexbear front to push sissypee lies
Except your source is some site named worldaffairs.blog
Let’s just look that up… yep about what I expected, conspiracy drivel
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/world-affairs-blog-bias/
It's literally quoting WSJ. Some liberal thinktank complaining about it is not relevant, even less so a think tank so vapid as to tacitly equate centrism with objectivity.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-CJB-22543
she also cited and linked to all the original sources which the worldaffairs site used, packed full of famous CCP-shill state-owned-media sources like: the BBC, Reuters, the Washington Post, CBS, the Wall Street Journal, etcetera
You all must be the biggest fucking rubes on the planet if you're seriously citing a site which claims that CNN has a left wing bias
How do you function? Do you just lose money on scams 24/7? (donating to your political parties counts)
I have a lot of issues with sources I know are right wing because they often spin things in ridiculous ways. Despite that, there's so much censorship on the internet the only places to look are on the fringes or in other languages.
Would it make you feel better if I cited a blog that takes lines from other sources out of context to change the message?
Nobody doing yellow peril shit in English to an audience of Euro-Americans is doing it because they have any genuine principled criticism of Chinese self-governance. If they did, they’d be talking about it to actual Chinese people living in China instead of seeking out other white liberal nationalists to hype each other up about “civilizing the Orientals”.
OP link us to the comment where you merely mentioned Tiananmen square and got banned for it
Further down, but it seems it was more about mocking the president and saying that China and Russia were dictatorships. Maybe...
We've already seen the modlog and know you were banned for racism.
The ones where you called Xi a yellow animal. Also if you aren't Asian shut the fuck up with "oh but it isnt racist". I'm part Asian and that shit is racist.
I have to admit I probably would have read yellow in that context to mean 'cowardly' rather than with racist connotations but I can see how it could be taken that way.
I wasn't saying that about the color... Asians aren't even yellow... wtf is your stuff about saying Chinese are yellows ??? Is that an American thing ?
Asians are depicted and referred to as yellow in racist caricatures.
In OP's defense, is it possible that they were referencing the Xi as Winnie the Pooh meme? Pooh is in fact yellow and is ostensibly an animal.
I dunno, I wasn't there for the larger context, but it seems at least possible that this is what happened.
I will take my downvotes now.
You're free to check the modlog, rather than lying that you were "banned for mentioning Tiananmen Square"
You got to be a leftiest to be in a leftiest place, and you're clearly just a reactionary.
Just got site banned for telling an IDF simp psycho, that I hope he remembers enjoying the children dying when the karma hits.
I got banned from lemmyworld news for being anti israel so I think im way more based
