Gaddafi was really, really not very good, he was just anti-imperialist and better than what the US had in store for Libya. But he's not really a great example of some cool leftist leader or whatever.
Generally very online people tend to be less tied to faith, but there are liberation theology movements that are an integral core of our current leftist vanguard.
Actually for some reason very online people tend to exaggerate the importance of religion, presumably in reaction to annoying reddit atheists or whatever. They talk about all the religious leftist people and if you ask them they're like "oh, I know someone who knows someone like that". Most young people in most developed countries couldn't give two shits about religion and of course you shouldn't be an asshole to the ones that do but religion really isn't that significant in leftist politics and usually tends to be a hurdle. In a few specific places it works advantageously, for specific reasons.
I think in that conversation you just happened to pick out the right set of issues that are most politically controversial over the last fifty years in the West. Outside of that context, there may be a million things that a person will do or think because of their faith, but they don't necessarily lead to headbutts with you.
I think a lot of the time you could translate the ideas of the people you have those conversations with into a set of fully secular moral and epistemological axioms, but in doing so you have to admit that they are axioms through and through, and faith is about as logical a coathook to fix them on as anything else.
I think in that conversation you just happened to pick out the right set of issues that are most politically controversial over the last fifty years in the West. Outside of that context, there may be a million things that a person will do or think because of their faith, but they don’t necessarily lead to headbutts with you.
Most younger people who say they are religious don't really do anything different from anyone else. I live in a country where supposedly 90% are christians and only 4% are atheists. Most don't really do or think anything different, they just have it in the back of their mind that they're christian or whatever, and they may light a candle in a church if they happen to be inside one.
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Gaddafi was really, really not very good, he was just anti-imperialist and better than what the US had in store for Libya. But he's not really a great example of some cool leftist leader or whatever.
Actually for some reason very online people tend to exaggerate the importance of religion, presumably in reaction to annoying reddit atheists or whatever. They talk about all the religious leftist people and if you ask them they're like "oh, I know someone who knows someone like that". Most young people in most developed countries couldn't give two shits about religion and of course you shouldn't be an asshole to the ones that do but religion really isn't that significant in leftist politics and usually tends to be a hurdle. In a few specific places it works advantageously, for specific reasons.
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I think in that conversation you just happened to pick out the right set of issues that are most politically controversial over the last fifty years in the West. Outside of that context, there may be a million things that a person will do or think because of their faith, but they don't necessarily lead to headbutts with you.
I think a lot of the time you could translate the ideas of the people you have those conversations with into a set of fully secular moral and epistemological axioms, but in doing so you have to admit that they are axioms through and through, and faith is about as logical a coathook to fix them on as anything else.
Most younger people who say they are religious don't really do anything different from anyone else. I live in a country where supposedly 90% are christians and only 4% are atheists. Most don't really do or think anything different, they just have it in the back of their mind that they're christian or whatever, and they may light a candle in a church if they happen to be inside one.
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