Most of the time with Francis, I feel like the media wildly overstates his actual position. I’m not sure how much of it is the media wanting it to be true, how much they don’t understand doctrine, or whether Francis is using weasel words (he is incredibly skilled at it). In the past, I’ve been able to get into the actual text of what he said and see how what he’s talking about isn’t actually that radical of a departure from standard Catholic doctrine.
But tbh, maybe I’ve gotten lazy but it feels like recently, he actually has been kinda going rogue on some of this stuff. Or even if he isn’t actually changing doctrine, it does kinda feel like he’s trying to push the church in a certain direction without explicitly doing it.
Just try to watch what he says about being open or accepting to a person versus saying “this is not a sin” or “this person is a Christian”. A simpler, 2D Protestant example would be like when some churches will “we welcome everyone” and maybe even have a rainbow somewhere. What they are usually saying they welcome you inside the literal building but they are not actually going to accept you as LGBTQ.
I feel like the media wildly overstates his actual position.
They downright distort what he says to make him seem like a progressive pope. They have been painting him as a "lgbt+ friendly pope" for years while he says shit like this:
“Gender ideology, today, is one of the most dangerous ideological colonizations [...] Today children — children — are taught in school that everyone can choose his or her sex. Why are they teaching this? Because the books are provided by the people and institutions that give you money. These forms of ideological colonization are also supported by influential countries. And this is terrible!”
His most "progressive" stance on the matter is that lgbt people should not be literally kicked out of the church or verbally attacked. That's it. He still thinks it's a sin, it's still forbidden to partake in sacraments and gay marriage is still a big no-no, despite the way they phrased things in the article.
I think what makes them do this is not PR, but clickbait. The idea of a pro-lgbt pope just generates a lot of engagement from people who are bewildered over how such a historically reactionary institution could have a progressive pope (it does not).
see how what he’s talking about isn’t actually that radical of a departure from standard Catholic doctrine.
Yet despite you and I being in agreement, TradCaths think he is the anti christ. I think he is an excellent PR bullshitter and the media is trying so hard to do something with Catholicism, they often report his general comments in the press as new Catholic rules, when in reality a lot of things take a bunch of time to codify; but I will say, having tradcaths on suicide alert, and constantly outing themselves is genuinely funny to me.
Most of the time with Francis, I feel like the media wildly overstates his actual position. I’m not sure how much of it is the media wanting it to be true, how much they don’t understand doctrine, or whether Francis is using weasel words (he is incredibly skilled at it). In the past, I’ve been able to get into the actual text of what he said and see how what he’s talking about isn’t actually that radical of a departure from standard Catholic doctrine.
But tbh, maybe I’ve gotten lazy but it feels like recently, he actually has been kinda going rogue on some of this stuff. Or even if he isn’t actually changing doctrine, it does kinda feel like he’s trying to push the church in a certain direction without explicitly doing it.
Just try to watch what he says about being open or accepting to a person versus saying “this is not a sin” or “this person is a Christian”. A simpler, 2D Protestant example would be like when some churches will “we welcome everyone” and maybe even have a rainbow somewhere. What they are usually saying they welcome you inside the literal building but they are not actually going to accept you as LGBTQ.
They downright distort what he says to make him seem like a progressive pope. They have been painting him as a "lgbt+ friendly pope" for years while he says shit like this:
His most "progressive" stance on the matter is that lgbt people should not be literally kicked out of the church or verbally attacked. That's it. He still thinks it's a sin, it's still forbidden to partake in sacraments and gay marriage is still a big no-no, despite the way they phrased things in the article. I think what makes them do this is not PR, but clickbait. The idea of a pro-lgbt pope just generates a lot of engagement from people who are bewildered over how such a historically reactionary institution could have a progressive pope (it does not).
Yet despite you and I being in agreement, TradCaths think he is the anti christ. I think he is an excellent PR bullshitter and the media is trying so hard to do something with Catholicism, they often report his general comments in the press as new Catholic rules, when in reality a lot of things take a bunch of time to codify; but I will say, having tradcaths on suicide alert, and constantly outing themselves is genuinely funny to me.
He is almost certainly part of a PR attempt by the Church to whitewash their reputation after the scandals.