That is an antisemitic generalization. The government and military of a nation is only a subgroup of it´s society. How would you like to be held responsible for the actions of your government and military, even if you did not vote for them and don´t agree with what they are doing?
Ok, I’ll correct that to ‘Israel as a nation casually murders children on a regular basis’ to be more accurate then.
Well, that is at least a start. Now could we agree to switch "Israel as a nation" with "The right-extremist government of Israel, it´s military and the ultra-nationalist settler movement" please?
Sus af though that you claimed that a meme criticizing Israel as a nation for killing kids was an attack against all Jews
A nation includes all of it´s citizens, so that is a weird argument that seems to have only one goal, to be a killer argument against any critique of antisemitic propaganda against Israel.
How is generalizing all citizens of Israel -who as we know are mainly Jewish people- as casual child murderers not classic antisemitism? Please include in your consideration, that the narrative of child sacrifice and blood libel is one of the oldest antisemitic tropes there is and put the meme in a context with that fact.
Well, that is at least a start. Now could we agree to switch "Israel as a nation" with "The right-extremist government of Israel, it´s military and the ultra-nationalist settler movement" please?
Israel "as a nation" has been doing this since its inception in 1948. It has never been anything besides an ultra-nationalist settler movement. I suspect you either greatly lack historical context or are arguing in bad faith tbh.
Now could we agree to switch “Israel as a nation” with “The right-extremist government of Israel, it´s military and the ultra-nationalist settler movement” please?
No we can't, fuck off. Israel is an apartheid state and Zionism is an European settler-colonial movement.
Du scheinst die Art Mensch zu sein welche möglichst simple Narrative bevorzugt und die Welt klar in gut und böse aufteilt. Daher kein Interesse an einer Diskussion, danke und schönen Tag noch.
You seem like the kind of person who runs defense for apartheid and genocide to avoid having to question your unwavering loyalty to the people who rule you, this was never a conversation worth having so I thank you for saving me the effort.
You seem to be the kind of person who prefers simple narratives and clearly divides the world into good and evil. Therefore no interest in a discussion, thank you and have a nice day.
You are absolutely wrong, but I can understand that a superficial look at the discussion can give this impression. However, I argue with anti-Germans whenever I find myself in the same room with them. They position themselves just as indiscriminately as you do here, only in the opposite direction. Anti-Germans are even in solidarity with the right-wing extremist, colonialist Israeli government. To be honest, I can no more identify with anti-German Israel-fetishists who hate Palestinians than I can with the anti-Semitic, Israel-hating Palestine-fetishists here. Both camps are obviously fanatical and far from objective.
It's cute how you're staying safe in your mind palace and arguing about hypothetical settlers who don't support what's going on.
You know what your hypothetical virtuous perpetrators of a genocide can do if they actually feel that way? Fucking leave. They can fucking leave and go back where they came from and give back the homes they stole.
It’s cute how you’re staying safe in your mind palace and arguing about hypothetical settlers who don’t support what’s going on.
Excuse me? What are you even talking about? Every single time I mentioned settlers in this thread, I did so only to blame them for the situation and called them ultra-nationalists, who are one of the groups who should be criticized alongside the government and the military. So please stop projecting so wildly and instead go with what i actually wrote, otherwise there is no basis for a discussion, thank you.
You know what your hypothetical virtuous perpetrators of a genocide can do if they actually feel that way? Fucking leave. They can fucking leave and go back where they came from and give back the homes they stole.
Calling out antisemitic propaganda when I see it does neither equal taking sides in the conflict nor does it equal supporting illegal settlements of racist neo-nazi expansionist assholes who murder Palestinian olive farmers.
You should really stop projecting so much, communication becomes impossible like this.
This dumb motherfucker keeps using the word 'projecting' whenever someone calls them on imagining what Jewish Israelis think
Do you think they're smart enough to recognize the irony of that before it's explicitly spelled out to them? I say no. They're dumb as shit. Like most fascists.
Calling out antisemitic propaganda when I see it does neither equal taking sides in the conflict nor does it equal supporting illegal settlements of racist neo-nazi expansionist assholes who murder Palestinian olive farmers.
Fucking idiot here thinks the west bank is the first time Zionists did an ethnic cleansing
You should really stop projecting so much, communication becomes impossible like this.
That is obviously a derailing attempt and you will probably freak out when I say this but here we go: Sexism against any gender, including men, is wrong.
I... no, honey, I wasn't actually talking about men there, I was talking about how you're deflecting criticism of Israel by equating it to criticism of individual israeli's, by connecting your comment to the MRA movement's constant cries of "not all men" when feminists say things like "1 in 4 women have been sexually assualted". It's not an incorrect statement in itself, but it isn't any more relevent or helpful than me saying I wasn't involved in the 1943 Bengal Famine, so it's not fair to say Britain killed millions of Indians.
I have been criticizing the the right-extremist government, the child murdering military and the illegal settlers of Israel, just like I have been criticizing the child murdering terrorists from Hamas. I will continue doing so despite getting attacked by islamophobic racists from the right and antisemites from the left. Sorry, not sorry.
Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you honestly do believe they're downplaying the Holocaust - look into the Warsaw Uprising. From the small militia that initiated the attacks to the mass killing of civilians in response, it's exactly analogous to the current situation in Israel.
We are absolutely aware of the severity of the holocaust and do not compare contemporary events to it lightly.
the right-extremist government, the child murdering military and the illegal settlers of Israel,
...who the fuck else do you think there is in Israel? Government, military, civilians, what?
Secondly, criticising Hamas is pretty problematic: they have lived their entire lives as second class citizens under a white European occupation, often literally under siege from an unprofessional military, losing their parents, siblings, and children to random attacks by settlers, snipers, bulldozers etc and being forced out of their homes into more and more crowded refugee camps. If you'd condemn people for fighting back under those circumstances, what would you say about resistance forces in WWII, Irish forces fighting the British, or Haitians throwing off the chains of their enslavers? Israel has not given them a choice about harming civilians - civilians are literally its first line of defence, spread out across Palestinian land to maintain their hold, moved into houses as soon as they are taken so any attempt to regain land necessarily involves them. You can be critical in your support, but it is a moral prerogative to condone and support Hamas in their fight against European colonialism and white supremacism.
I think you accidentally misplaced your post, this is not the piggy poo poo fetish community. I Hope you will find a place to satisfy you kink, good luck!
That is an antisemitic generalization. The government and military of a nation is only a subgroup of it´s society. How would you like to be held responsible for the actions of your government and military, even if you did not vote for them and don´t agree with what they are doing?
Ok, I'll correct that to 'Israel as a nation casually murders children on a regular basis' to be more accurate then.
Sus af though that you claimed that a meme criticising Israel as a nation for killing kids was an attack against all jews
Well, that is at least a start. Now could we agree to switch "Israel as a nation" with "The right-extremist government of Israel, it´s military and the ultra-nationalist settler movement" please?
A nation includes all of it´s citizens, so that is a weird argument that seems to have only one goal, to be a killer argument against any critique of antisemitic propaganda against Israel.
How is generalizing all citizens of Israel -who as we know are mainly Jewish people- as casual child murderers not classic antisemitism? Please include in your consideration, that the narrative of child sacrifice and blood libel is one of the oldest antisemitic tropes there is and put the meme in a context with that fact.
Israel "as a nation" has been doing this since its inception in 1948. It has never been anything besides an ultra-nationalist settler movement. I suspect you either greatly lack historical context or are arguing in bad faith tbh.
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This will not be the own you think it will
"if Palestinians deserve their land back, so do the Sioux, Cherokee, Seminole and all the other tribes"
"Yes"
This is how complete fucking idiots who never leave their mind palace cope with being told they're wrong about something
It's also how fascists erase all content and context from a disagreement and try to whine about civility.
Sorry but if you don´t have anything to say, please just be quiet instead of spamming out of context nonsense - blocked ...
Quit being a redditor, it's embarrassing.
That is a serious offence, reported! /s
No we can't, fuck off. Israel is an apartheid state and Zionism is an European settler-colonial movement.
Du scheinst die Art Mensch zu sein welche möglichst simple Narrative bevorzugt und die Welt klar in gut und böse aufteilt. Daher kein Interesse an einer Diskussion, danke und schönen Tag noch.
Dein kringeliger Avatar prüft so was von aus.
You seem like the kind of person who runs defense for apartheid and genocide to avoid having to question your unwavering loyalty to the people who rule you, this was never a conversation worth having so I thank you for saving me the effort.
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And the tantrum begins in earnest
Hope you follow your leader, nazi
Pardon? That seems like a baseless accusation, care to elaborate?
Hitler shot himself in the head in his bunker. Hope that clears things up.
You are obviously hallucinating and writing random nonsense, lol
Add this to the list of things you're too stupid to understand
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You seem to be the kind of person who prefers simple narratives and clearly divides the world into good and evil. Therefore no interest in a discussion, thank you and have a nice day.
Your curly avatar is so testing.
This text was translated using DeepL.
Oh, look, an AfD member.
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Antideutsche libs when will they learn
You are absolutely wrong, but I can understand that a superficial look at the discussion can give this impression. However, I argue with anti-Germans whenever I find myself in the same room with them. They position themselves just as indiscriminately as you do here, only in the opposite direction. Anti-Germans are even in solidarity with the right-wing extremist, colonialist Israeli government. To be honest, I can no more identify with anti-German Israel-fetishists who hate Palestinians than I can with the anti-Semitic, Israel-hating Palestine-fetishists here. Both camps are obviously fanatical and far from objective.
Ah so an enlightened centrist then?
It's cute how you're staying safe in your mind palace and arguing about hypothetical settlers who don't support what's going on.
You know what your hypothetical virtuous perpetrators of a genocide can do if they actually feel that way? Fucking leave. They can fucking leave and go back where they came from and give back the homes they stole.
Excuse me? What are you even talking about? Every single time I mentioned settlers in this thread, I did so only to blame them for the situation and called them ultra-nationalists, who are one of the groups who should be criticized alongside the government and the military. So please stop projecting so wildly and instead go with what i actually wrote, otherwise there is no basis for a discussion, thank you.
Calling out antisemitic propaganda when I see it does neither equal taking sides in the conflict nor does it equal supporting illegal settlements of racist neo-nazi expansionist assholes who murder Palestinian olive farmers.
You should really stop projecting so much, communication becomes impossible like this.
This dumb motherfucker keeps using the word 'projecting' whenever someone calls them on imagining what Jewish Israelis think
Do you think they're smart enough to recognize the irony of that before it's explicitly spelled out to them? I say no. They're dumb as shit. Like most fascists.
Fucking idiot here thinks the west bank is the first time Zionists did an ethnic cleansing
Fucking good. Shut the fuck up.
You are not adding any thing to the discussion at this point, please stop spamming.
Oh, and you are? You're in here pulling a "not all men" about criticism of Israel.
That is obviously a derailing attempt and you will probably freak out when I say this but here we go: Sexism against any gender, including men, is wrong.
I... no, honey, I wasn't actually talking about men there, I was talking about how you're deflecting criticism of Israel by equating it to criticism of individual israeli's, by connecting your comment to the MRA movement's constant cries of "not all men" when feminists say things like "1 in 4 women have been sexually assualted". It's not an incorrect statement in itself, but it isn't any more relevent or helpful than me saying I wasn't involved in the 1943 Bengal Famine, so it's not fair to say Britain killed millions of Indians.
I have been criticizing the the right-extremist government, the child murdering military and the illegal settlers of Israel, just like I have been criticizing the child murdering terrorists from Hamas. I will continue doing so despite getting attacked by islamophobic racists from the right and antisemites from the left. Sorry, not sorry.
Shut the fuck up you reddit brained fence sitting debate pervert liberal.
You are an unimaginative impotent weasel and should save us all the trouble and shove yourself into a fucking locker.
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Yes I get offended when glib liberals both sides a fucking genocide.
You are no better than fucking Nazis.
And please stop playing down Nazis, that is REALLY not ok.
What Zionists are doing to Palestine is 100% comparable. Fuck off.
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Obviously triggered, rofl
Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you honestly do believe they're downplaying the Holocaust - look into the Warsaw Uprising. From the small militia that initiated the attacks to the mass killing of civilians in response, it's exactly analogous to the current situation in Israel.
We are absolutely aware of the severity of the holocaust and do not compare contemporary events to it lightly.
You must be hallucinating, I never wrote that both sides commit genocide because that is not my opinion.
...who the fuck else do you think there is in Israel? Government, military, civilians, what?
Secondly, criticising Hamas is pretty problematic: they have lived their entire lives as second class citizens under a white European occupation, often literally under siege from an unprofessional military, losing their parents, siblings, and children to random attacks by settlers, snipers, bulldozers etc and being forced out of their homes into more and more crowded refugee camps. If you'd condemn people for fighting back under those circumstances, what would you say about resistance forces in WWII, Irish forces fighting the British, or Haitians throwing off the chains of their enslavers? Israel has not given them a choice about harming civilians - civilians are literally its first line of defence, spread out across Palestinian land to maintain their hold, moved into houses as soon as they are taken so any attempt to regain land necessarily involves them. You can be critical in your support, but it is a moral prerogative to condone and support Hamas in their fight against European colonialism and white supremacism.
Shut the fuck up, you're defending settlers- apartheid governments, genocidal ethnostates, and their defenders deserve scorn.
Chew shit from my ass zionist
I think you accidentally misplaced your post, this is not the piggy poo poo fetish community. I Hope you will find a place to satisfy you kink, good luck!