everything elon musk is involved in is a grift in one way or another
everyone always points to SpaceX as proof he's not a fraud, but a) they used public money and b) nobody is actually going to mars in this piece of shit
edit: love how the starship concept art has evolved to match the reality of a big aluminum tube
Elon Musk is a piece of shit, but the engineers at SpaceX genuinely do good work. The shift to stainless steel seems like a strange idea since we're so used to looking at rockets that are made of composites or completely painted, but it's also not without precedent.
Right, but Elon Musk went around showing everybody bullshit pictures of a spaceship he was never going to build because he wants everyone to think he's based Mars Emperor. Those engineers should be working for the public.
Yeah, Musk and spacex as a company are awful, but don't be surprised when taking a ton of highly skilled and hardworking people and convincing them to run themselves into the ground working as many hours a week as possible turns out to be a good way to extract labor/profit.
This isn't musk designing rockets himself and calling people pedophiles when they don't work, it's a company he's exploiting.
Elon does have control over what the engineers do, though.
He says he wants the Tesla software devs to spend time putting a farting unicorn Easter egg into the software, they do.
He says he doesn't like safety yellow, and wants the gigafactory to be as close to the red gray color scheme as possible, then the walking and forklift paths at the factories get distinguished by two different shades of gray.
I don't know the actual thinking behind it, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he told them that he wanted it to be all shiny metal to resemble the rocketships in mid century sci-fi movies and they rolled their eyes and acquiesced, so as to keep their job.
I support all the criticism towards the companies for real issues, but when it comes to Starship too much of it is low hanging fruit that is almost embarrassing.
I don't get why people get so fucking hanged up on the Starship looks unless you are very unfamiliar with space history in general(basicaly only seen pictures of the Shuttle or Saturn V).
I mean go back to the 50s and 60s. The Apollo lunar/descent module looks like a tincan toy, you have to explain to people why the legs are so tiny and fragile because it certainly doesn't look like it could fly anywhere safely.
Tell me shit like the Atlas-Able looks remotely pleasing or intuitive.
Don't even get me started on the N1.
Even the famous V1 and its descendants were regarded as "cigar" shaped. Today they look novel, back then I would see it is tacky.
It is funny and also sad how so many people seem so hanged up on "modern rocket aesthetics"when said aesthetics are very much Western derivatives since the traditional soviet style is completely undesirable, who knows why.
The entire last century was focused on near Earth exploration, that is why almost every launch system looks the same(including the omnipresent bulge at the top of almost every rocket) and the strong desire to keep things looking the same just because is embarrassing.
We had flying space cones and cigars, stop complaining about the flying grain silo IMO.
Out of all the things to criticize Elon/SpaceX, focus on the stuff that matters instead of aesthetics.
I don’t get why people get so fucking hanged up on the Starship looks unless you are very unfamiliar with space history in general
American LEO space technology has been languishing for decades as we turned the industry over to the private sector. NASA is far more focused on autonomous extra-orbital exploration, which is why they've got a helicopter cruising around Mars and Elon doesn't.
Most people don't know anything about space technology, extra-terrestrial economics, or the various incentives that are driving the different players in space travel R&D. They just know we landed on the moon in the 60s and haven't been back in 50 years. Also, we have a space station for some reason. And we don't do space shuttle launches anymore (and thank god for that, given their "Oops! Explosion!" failure rate).
We had flying space cones and cigars, stop complaining about the flying grain silo IMO. Out of all the things to criticize Elon/SpaceX, focus on the stuff that matters instead of aesthetics.
I mostly make fun of Musk for all the explosions.
He talks a big game, but when you have Unlimited Money you can get away with trying all sorts of bad ideas and even make a few of them work.
As China's space industry gets off the ground, I'll be curious to see how quickly we get left in the dust. The latest episode of "Congressional Dish" already shows American military experts freaking out over Chinese anti-satellite spacecraft. How long until Musk's SpaceX tech is ham-handedly weaponized, I wonder?
Right, but Elon Musk went around showing everybody bullshit pictures of a spaceship he was never going to build because he wants everyone to think he’s based Mars Emperor.
I don't know where this idea that Starship isn't going to be built. NASA is already going to use it for the moon.
The only obstacle is stopping it from exploding for the 125436346th time not political/capital will.
To be clear, we can agree all we want about how bad design it may be(in practice not looks) but people betting on it not happening will get burned.
The Elonites will gladly volunteer to get aboard the flying grain silo to Mars if you let them.
I have no doubt someday someone will build a starship that gets humans to Mars. It might even be this one!
The problem is that he manipulated the public and government into privatizing space exploration, which means that huge profits are going to be extracted and the engineers who built everything are responsible to individuals, not the people.
Lastly, Elon is a con man who simply buys the credit for other people's work and everything he touches eventually turns to shit. Tesla is shit, his tunnels are shit, his stupid Thai cave submarine was shit, everything. He hyped up this sleek sci-fi starship for years and it turns out to be a janky-looking metal tube - you can assume there is good engineering reason, but I bet it's because it's actually shit.
If you care about space you should be concerned about Elon Musk's influence.
If you care about space you should be concerned about Elon Musk’s influence.
I am way ahead of that, if it were up to me he would be facing the wall already, my goal is not to defend that fucker.
He hyped up this sleek sci-fi starship for years and it turns out to be a janky-looking metal tube - you can assume there is good engineering reason, but I bet it’s because it’s actually shit.
Does it make a real difference though? Look at the cyber truck. The main complaint is it looks like a child drawing or something.
If current Starship looked the same as the original design people would still shit on it based on looks. That is my only pet peeve here the "bet" you are making about the engineering quality should be based on the fact it keeps blowing up, not on how it looks.
everything elon musk is involved in is a grift in one way or another
everyone always points to SpaceX as proof he's not a fraud, but a) they used public money and b) nobody is actually going to mars in this piece of shit
edit: love how the starship concept art has evolved to match the reality of a big aluminum tube
"Actually, it was always supposed to look like an unfinished sham of a prototype, obviously."
"We collected lots of valuable data when everyone said it 'looked like fucking shit'"
it looks like it would make a wobbly sheet metal sound if you threw rocks at it
Elon Musk is a piece of shit, but the engineers at SpaceX genuinely do good work. The shift to stainless steel seems like a strange idea since we're so used to looking at rockets that are made of composites or completely painted, but it's also not without precedent.
Right, but Elon Musk went around showing everybody bullshit pictures of a spaceship he was never going to build because he wants everyone to think he's based Mars Emperor. Those engineers should be working for the public.
There’s also an understanding amoungst the engineers that Elon just kinda says shit and does nothing
Source, my uncle who works for Nintendo
I wonder what it's like for someone who's parent really works for nintendo. it's not like they're a small company.
Yeah, Musk and spacex as a company are awful, but don't be surprised when taking a ton of highly skilled and hardworking people and convincing them to run themselves into the ground working as many hours a week as possible turns out to be a good way to extract labor/profit.
This isn't musk designing rockets himself and calling people pedophiles when they don't work, it's a company he's exploiting.
Elon does have control over what the engineers do, though.
He says he wants the Tesla software devs to spend time putting a farting unicorn Easter egg into the software, they do.
He says he doesn't like safety yellow, and wants the gigafactory to be as close to the red gray color scheme as possible, then the walking and forklift paths at the factories get distinguished by two different shades of gray.
I don't know the actual thinking behind it, but I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if he told them that he wanted it to be all shiny metal to resemble the rocketships in mid century sci-fi movies and they rolled their eyes and acquiesced, so as to keep their job.
I kind of like the shiny chrome rocket look for the retro futuristic aesthetic.
I support all the criticism towards the companies for real issues, but when it comes to Starship too much of it is low hanging fruit that is almost embarrassing. I don't get why people get so fucking hanged up on the Starship looks unless you are very unfamiliar with space history in general(basicaly only seen pictures of the Shuttle or Saturn V).
I mean go back to the 50s and 60s. The Apollo lunar/descent module looks like a tincan toy, you have to explain to people why the legs are so tiny and fragile because it certainly doesn't look like it could fly anywhere safely. Tell me shit like the Atlas-Able looks remotely pleasing or intuitive. Don't even get me started on the N1. Even the famous V1 and its descendants were regarded as "cigar" shaped. Today they look novel, back then I would see it is tacky.
It is funny and also sad how so many people seem so hanged up on "modern rocket aesthetics"when said aesthetics are very much Western derivatives since the traditional soviet style is completely undesirable, who knows why. The entire last century was focused on near Earth exploration, that is why almost every launch system looks the same(including the omnipresent bulge at the top of almost every rocket) and the strong desire to keep things looking the same just because is embarrassing.
We had flying space cones and cigars, stop complaining about the flying grain silo IMO. Out of all the things to criticize Elon/SpaceX, focus on the stuff that matters instead of aesthetics.
American LEO space technology has been languishing for decades as we turned the industry over to the private sector. NASA is far more focused on autonomous extra-orbital exploration, which is why they've got a helicopter cruising around Mars and Elon doesn't.
Most people don't know anything about space technology, extra-terrestrial economics, or the various incentives that are driving the different players in space travel R&D. They just know we landed on the moon in the 60s and haven't been back in 50 years. Also, we have a space station for some reason. And we don't do space shuttle launches anymore (and thank god for that, given their "Oops! Explosion!" failure rate).
I mostly make fun of Musk for all the explosions.
He talks a big game, but when you have Unlimited Money you can get away with trying all sorts of bad ideas and even make a few of them work.
As China's space industry gets off the ground, I'll be curious to see how quickly we get left in the dust. The latest episode of "Congressional Dish" already shows American military experts freaking out over Chinese anti-satellite spacecraft. How long until Musk's SpaceX tech is ham-handedly weaponized, I wonder?
just gonna paste my other comment
I don't know where this idea that Starship isn't going to be built. NASA is already going to use it for the moon. The only obstacle is stopping it from exploding for the 125436346th time not political/capital will.
To be clear, we can agree all we want about how bad design it may be(in practice not looks) but people betting on it not happening will get burned.
The Elonites will gladly volunteer to get aboard the flying grain silo to Mars if you let them.
I have no doubt someday someone will build a starship that gets humans to Mars. It might even be this one!
The problem is that he manipulated the public and government into privatizing space exploration, which means that huge profits are going to be extracted and the engineers who built everything are responsible to individuals, not the people.
Lastly, Elon is a con man who simply buys the credit for other people's work and everything he touches eventually turns to shit. Tesla is shit, his tunnels are shit, his stupid Thai cave submarine was shit, everything. He hyped up this sleek sci-fi starship for years and it turns out to be a janky-looking metal tube - you can assume there is good engineering reason, but I bet it's because it's actually shit.
If you care about space you should be concerned about Elon Musk's influence.
I am way ahead of that, if it were up to me he would be facing the wall already, my goal is not to defend that fucker.
Does it make a real difference though? Look at the cyber truck. The main complaint is it looks like a child drawing or something. If current Starship looked the same as the original design people would still shit on it based on looks. That is my only pet peeve here the "bet" you are making about the engineering quality should be based on the fact it keeps blowing up, not on how it looks.
Also the one NASA thinks they'll use doesn't look like a jank metal tube.
The one Musk accidentally smashed with a hammer on stage while trying to prove it wasn't a piece of shit?
Lol that's another fucking drawing.