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  • Tervell [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    someone linked a thread from this account here (not the dunk tank specifically, it was some other comm) some time ago, it was probably like 50 tweets about how the fall of communism and the USSR was actually the fault of China. I mean the Sino-Soviet split led to some pretty trash foreign policy decisions, but imagine believing that China somehow holds more blame than like... the US?

    • aru [they/them,any]
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      4 years ago

      imagine believing that China somehow holds more blame than like… the US?

      This is badjacketing and not what he said.

      • Tervell [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        "China, having won the US the Cold War"

        "China is complicit in and in some ways responsible for American imperialism"

        "The CCP picked the side of capital in the Cold War and doomed the international communist movement in the process, and continues to fund American imperialism to this day"

        • aru [they/them,any]
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          4 years ago

          “China, having won the US the Cold War”

          100<20+90

          100+20>90

          Doesn't mean that the 20 is the biggest contributor.

          “China is complicit in and in some ways responsible for American imperialism”

          This is even less relevant.

          • Tervell [he/him]
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            4 years ago

            If it was "China, having aided/assisted the US in winning ...", alright, but "having won" I read as implying that China was the primary actor in the whole thing. Maybe I'm just bad at English, but that phrasing reads completely differently to me than it does to you.

            This is even less relevant.

            It's relevant, along with the third quote, to the point about blaming China more than the US. I'm willing to accept some degree of complicity, but I don't see how "responsible" is appropriate - the US is responsible for American imperialism, not fucking China. And "doomed the international communist movement" again seem to portray China as the primary reason - as if if China hadn't done Reform and Opening-up this somehow would have prevented the fall of the USSR, as if imperialism and capitalism were just on the brink of collapse until China somehow saved them.

            • aru [they/them,any]
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              4 years ago

              as if if China hadn’t done Reform and Opening-up this somehow would have prevented the fall of the USSR, as if imperialism and capitalism were just on the brink of collapse until China somehow saved them.

              This interpretation is contradicted by the next sentence and the excerpt from Chuang.