Vote Brigading is the practice of mobilizing a campaign within an online community to promote or undermine a targeted page, user or belief en masse through the user-voting system. On Reddit, brigading is often employed as a silencing tactic by those who wish to undermine the presence of competing political agendas or opinions.
If it weren't you it would've been someone else so it doesn't matter too much. But I hope you've since renounced this position given that it's only purpose is to prevent criticism, and criticism is a core of activism.
In essence brigading is just people sharing content but with a negative reaction to it. Nobody has a problem with sharing content when the reaction is a positive one, it's encouraged in fact.
Anti-brigading rules is used almost entirely to suppress the marginalised and maintain the status quo in any given community. It's entirely just "you aren't allowed to share our content with other people if you're sharing it with a negative reaction".
EDIT: Not sure if it's referring to you or someone else since banned now hmmm. Might be misunderstanding who the post is about?
Brigading can also be a bad force such as a fascist movement coming in and down voting all good content, or concern trolling etc.
So? Then you ban them for being fascist fucks. Not sharing the content with each other.
As a term it's not useful because its very fucking existence enables the practice of disallowing it. What it is in practice is censorship of criticism veiled in bullshit terminology to normalise the action of preventing it.
You can't always ban your way out of a brigade and depending on the site it's a useful way to describe the ongoing situation so as to how make the mods more vigilant for things like endless sockpuppets and concern trolling.
Yes you can. I moderate communities with millions of subscribers that are political and receive fascist brigades literally all the time. It is in fact healthier for the community to do this too. The people advocating for other methods are either lazy fuckwits or sympathise with the fash.
Want to describe exactly what their approach is? Hard to gather what you're getting at.
I'll give an example though, /r/gamingcirclejerk, where we regularly intentionally go out of our way to rile up various groups because it's both funny and effective at manipulating the wider gaming media. Our approach is explicitly not to lock threads (cowards lock) and instead to allow the fuckwits to post. They are then banned. It takes some time for those bans to process but the community explicitly knows we will get around to every single one of them. The community is grateful and approves of this, they want them banned, they know it makes the community cleaner because alt accounts for ban evasion are a pain in the ass and getting caught by the system doing ban evasion gets all of your accounts permabanned. Trans people in particular don't want the threads locked that rile up the transphobes, even if it means they have to see some transphobic shit, because they actually want to know that the community is properly cleared out of transphobes. Doing these proper clearouts gets you to an eventual stage where you can have a community with 1million+ subscribers and pro trans content will have tens of thousands of upvotes.
There is absolutely no benefit to NOT putting this kind of work in. It attracts and fosters a better crowd.
And when the ""brigades"" are absolutely massive because you've caused the entire gaming world to go crazy like when we caused that whole Harry Potter shit earlier in the year, it just ended up helping us to clear out even larger quantities of problem users. Gaming journalism, all the streamers, etc etc. We had fucking millions pour into the sub through all that shit. No problem though, just gotta work through it.
/r/gamingcirclejerk is massive context switch from something like /r/anarchism. GCJ has self-selected for people who are confrontational in the first place and have a culture set up to handle it. What works for one community doesn't work for every other. However if GCJ the community of millions you speak of, then it's understandable you believe this is the only approach that works. Given that hexbear is GCJ writ large it does it's also understandable why you think the mere term "bridaging" is problematic.
Want to describe exactly what their approach is? Hard to gather what you’re getting at.
I am getting at the fact that /r/anarchism often talks about the brigades against them and the mods there frequently use the term to communicate what is happening.
Sure, but if we're after a completely direct contrast I've also been a mod at /r/socialism, and a number of other spaces. If we get into naming them all we start to enter territory that endangers existing accounts with mod positions though and as I've been banned dozens of times in the past and would be banned again and again we're going to have to avoid going into too much detail. Let's just say I've been prolific in the 10 years i've been on that site.
My position on brigading has never changed. I was there promoting it when we totally weren't doing it as ShitRedditSays , I was there even before srs when we totally weren't doing it as hailcorporate where we pioneered the subreddits as hashtags approach to advertising a subreddit. If notable reddit drama that pissed off the majority of redditors occurred I probably tried to have some hand in it, that's how prolific. I take some pride in the fact that reddit is at least less shitty today than it was back then and that is directly the result of "brigading" and harassing the shit out of liberals until they start repeating the things that they've been harassed with countless times. Bullying works and calling it "brigading" is bullshit to try and prevent it because the shitbags that receive it know it works and don't want that social change to happen.
If it weren't you it would've been someone else so it doesn't matter too much. But I hope you've since renounced this position given that it's only purpose is to prevent criticism, and criticism is a core of activism.
In essence brigading is just people sharing content but with a negative reaction to it. Nobody has a problem with sharing content when the reaction is a positive one, it's encouraged in fact.
Anti-brigading rules is used almost entirely to suppress the marginalised and maintain the status quo in any given community. It's entirely just "you aren't allowed to share our content with other people if you're sharing it with a negative reaction".
EDIT: Not sure if it's referring to you or someone else since banned now hmmm. Might be misunderstanding who the post is about?
Brigading can also be a bad force such as a fascist movement coming in and down voting all good content, or concern trolling etc.
I think as a term it's useful to express the action. How to properly deal with Brigading if at all depends on who's doing it to whom and why.
So? Then you ban them for being fascist fucks. Not sharing the content with each other.
As a term it's not useful because its very fucking existence enables the practice of disallowing it. What it is in practice is censorship of criticism veiled in bullshit terminology to normalise the action of preventing it.
You can't always ban your way out of a brigade and depending on the site it's a useful way to describe the ongoing situation so as to how make the mods more vigilant for things like endless sockpuppets and concern trolling.
Yes you can. I moderate communities with millions of subscribers that are political and receive fascist brigades literally all the time. It is in fact healthier for the community to do this too. The people advocating for other methods are either lazy fuckwits or sympathise with the fash.
You should tell /r/anarchism mods that then.
Want to describe exactly what their approach is? Hard to gather what you're getting at.
I'll give an example though, /r/gamingcirclejerk, where we regularly intentionally go out of our way to rile up various groups because it's both funny and effective at manipulating the wider gaming media. Our approach is explicitly not to lock threads (cowards lock) and instead to allow the fuckwits to post. They are then banned. It takes some time for those bans to process but the community explicitly knows we will get around to every single one of them. The community is grateful and approves of this, they want them banned, they know it makes the community cleaner because alt accounts for ban evasion are a pain in the ass and getting caught by the system doing ban evasion gets all of your accounts permabanned. Trans people in particular don't want the threads locked that rile up the transphobes, even if it means they have to see some transphobic shit, because they actually want to know that the community is properly cleared out of transphobes. Doing these proper clearouts gets you to an eventual stage where you can have a community with 1million+ subscribers and pro trans content will have tens of thousands of upvotes.
There is absolutely no benefit to NOT putting this kind of work in. It attracts and fosters a better crowd.
And when the ""brigades"" are absolutely massive because you've caused the entire gaming world to go crazy like when we caused that whole Harry Potter shit earlier in the year, it just ended up helping us to clear out even larger quantities of problem users. Gaming journalism, all the streamers, etc etc. We had fucking millions pour into the sub through all that shit. No problem though, just gotta work through it.
there really is a transgender cabal that controls the media
/r/gamingcirclejerk is massive context switch from something like /r/anarchism. GCJ has self-selected for people who are confrontational in the first place and have a culture set up to handle it. What works for one community doesn't work for every other. However if GCJ the community of millions you speak of, then it's understandable you believe this is the only approach that works. Given that hexbear is GCJ writ large it does it's also understandable why you think the mere term "bridaging" is problematic.
I am getting at the fact that /r/anarchism often talks about the brigades against them and the mods there frequently use the term to communicate what is happening.
Sure, but if we're after a completely direct contrast I've also been a mod at /r/socialism, and a number of other spaces. If we get into naming them all we start to enter territory that endangers existing accounts with mod positions though and as I've been banned dozens of times in the past and would be banned again and again we're going to have to avoid going into too much detail. Let's just say I've been prolific in the 10 years i've been on that site.
My position on brigading has never changed. I was there promoting it when we totally weren't doing it as ShitRedditSays
, I was there even before srs when we totally weren't doing it as hailcorporate where we pioneered the subreddits as hashtags approach to advertising a subreddit. If notable reddit drama that pissed off the majority of redditors occurred I probably tried to have some hand in it, that's how prolific. I take some pride in the fact that reddit is at least less shitty today than it was back then and that is directly the result of "brigading" and harassing the shit out of liberals until they start repeating the things that they've been harassed with countless times. Bullying works and calling it "brigading" is bullshit to try and prevent it because the shitbags that receive it know it works and don't want that social change to happen.
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