They would be trying to establish a classless society, but they would not be developing communism as the next mode of production after capitalism.
except those anarchists who were attempting to establish a communist society
But that's not how it goes down, historically the two groups are at odds with each other, with those calling themselves anarchists wanting an immediate stateless society and defining themselves against communists
Violence between communists and anarchists is not just between MLs and anarchists. Trotsky had pretty militant attitudes about anarchists resorting to banditry and even stealing red army supplies, and he disagreed fundamentally with ML beliefs. MLism isn't just wanting to use a state btw, there are other groups willing to use state power with serious disagreements with MLs
arbitrary hierarchy, people could decide on a democratically implemented hierarchy, continue to misrepresent and misunderstand anarchism thx
If that means no element of bureaucracy at all, no coercion of any individual to have to comply with decisions made, and the decisions being the result of a totally democratic process where everyones opinion matter, that's not state power. Decisions being made within a group in a totally democratic fashion is not state power being exercised. A state requires authority which can be exercised to oppress elements within a group.
You started off saying that anarchists are a kind of communist that don't agree with a state being established, now you're saying that anarchists actually want to establish a state.
You literally distinguished anarchists as communists who aren't like MLs, who want to establish a state. What do you think is the difference between an anarchist and an ML? I'm just curious
There isn't one, by your understanding, or at least any differences are just minor disagreements about how the state should be arranged. You literally think ML's and anarchists are both fundamentally the same, and want to establish a state. Why do you think there has been all that conflict I mentioned?
anarchism isn’t no government, it is (generally depending on ideology) about the abolition of arbitrary hierarchies and power structures, not whatever looney tune idea of total chaos you’ve got going on
Forgot to respond to this. Anarchism absolutely rejects the state, that is what has defined anarchists during revolutionary times and set them at odds with those willing to set up state power. I know anarchy isn't just chaos, there is a theoretical system of government not involving hierarchy, but anarchists have always resisted the establishment of a state.
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They would be trying to establish a classless society, but they would not be developing communism as the next mode of production after capitalism.
But that's not how it goes down, historically the two groups are at odds with each other, with those calling themselves anarchists wanting an immediate stateless society and defining themselves against communists
Violence between communists and anarchists is not just between MLs and anarchists. Trotsky had pretty militant attitudes about anarchists resorting to banditry and even stealing red army supplies, and he disagreed fundamentally with ML beliefs. MLism isn't just wanting to use a state btw, there are other groups willing to use state power with serious disagreements with MLs
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And again you disappoint.
If that means no element of bureaucracy at all, no coercion of any individual to have to comply with decisions made, and the decisions being the result of a totally democratic process where everyones opinion matter, that's not state power. Decisions being made within a group in a totally democratic fashion is not state power being exercised. A state requires authority which can be exercised to oppress elements within a group.
You started off saying that anarchists are a kind of communist that don't agree with a state being established, now you're saying that anarchists actually want to establish a state.
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You literally distinguished anarchists as communists who aren't like MLs, who want to establish a state. What do you think is the difference between an anarchist and an ML? I'm just curious
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There isn't one, by your understanding, or at least any differences are just minor disagreements about how the state should be arranged. You literally think ML's and anarchists are both fundamentally the same, and want to establish a state. Why do you think there has been all that conflict I mentioned?
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Alright, goodbye, hopefully for good this time
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Forgot to respond to this. Anarchism absolutely rejects the state, that is what has defined anarchists during revolutionary times and set them at odds with those willing to set up state power. I know anarchy isn't just chaos, there is a theoretical system of government not involving hierarchy, but anarchists have always resisted the establishment of a state.