• wahming@monyet.cc
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    1 year ago

    Ok, what is it specifically that shouldn't be allowed here? Renting items? Setting prices higher than somebody else?

    • vividspecter@lemm.ee
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      1 year ago

      In this case it's through the Centrelink specific Centrepay system. Given it's a government approved system they can presumably remove approval of this company for any reason, so it doesn't have to reach a level of law breaking, just an obvious to everyone ethical breach.

      In any case, as stated in the article, Rents4Keep are currently being sued by ASIC for breaches of the Credit Act.

    • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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      1 year ago

      Usury is a crime in most places. This kind of transaction is just usury dressed up in the legal fiction of a rental.

        • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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          1 year ago

          Not at all. A rent to own scheme is essentially legally identical to getting a seller or third party loan except for when title passes over to the consumer. In most other respects, especially in outcome, it's the same transaction dressed up specifically to avoid existing usury laws.

          Even Rent4Keeps's own website calculates costs by comparing it to an installment loan for sale of goods. Doesn't get more transparent than that.

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          • wahming@monyet.cc
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            1 year ago

            A rent to own scheme is essentially legally identical to getting a seller or third party loan except for when title passes over to the consumer

            Interesting point. Though I have to wonder if making it illegal would just change their sales pitch to permanent rental, instead of rent to own. Ultimately, I feel the solution should lie more in educating consumers on financial literacy.

            • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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              1 year ago

              Ultimately, I feel the solution should lie more in educating consumers on financial literacy.

              You can crack down on predatory lending and educate consumers. However, you'll never be able to educate the average consumer to be immune from sophisticated schemes simply because most people have other things to do on life and scammers devote a lot more time creating new scams than the average person can devote to learning about avoiding scams.

              • wahming@monyet.cc
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                1 year ago

                I'm not sure this qualifies as sophisticated - or even a scam, when everything is specified in plain text.

                • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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                  1 year ago

                  Except obviously it is because nothing on that website alerts the buyer to the possibility of paying 4x the price of the good as the total cost of transaction. 33% to 38% interest pa is already egregious enough as it is but 4x the base cost of the good is absurd and usurus.

                  Sounds like you just have an ideological bias against consumer regulation and are trying to fit the facts into your framework.

                  • wahming@monyet.cc
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                    1 year ago

                    Sounds like you just have an ideological bias against consumer regulation

                    I'm in favor of consumer protection laws on aspects like quality, safety, etc. Things that are more nebulous and harder or impossible to check. But at some point, I do believe consumers have a responsibility as well. I understand that convenience stores charge me more than groceries, and it's fully on me if I shop there. In the same vein, if I buy a car that's going for 50% above market value, I'm not about to scream fraud, provided all information on costs and fees were given to me.