Edit- y’all are getting salty. Clearly I agree with Lenin that revolutionaries should work in reactionary parliaments. But that is not the same as the DSA who think electoralism is the key to meaningful change, and not a combination of legal and illegal strategies.

  • Anna_KOC [comrade/them]
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    4 years ago

    Is anyone building any power structure outside of the electoral system yet? Otherwise it's putting the cart before the horse.

        • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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          4 years ago

          lol look who's never done union organizing.

          What's your plan for building power structures? Both electoralism and dual power are out, apparently, regardless of strategy and tactics.

            • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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              4 years ago

              My question was not rhetorical. What do you plan to do to build power structures in the imperial core if you rule out both electoralism and dual power out of hand?

              • Anna_KOC [comrade/them]
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                4 years ago

                I don't plan to build power structures in the imperial core, I intend to destroy power structures in the imperial core.

                    • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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                      4 years ago

                      So that's it? Your idea of defeating the imperial core is for you, by yourself, doing some terrorism?

                      All you're gonna do is get them to immediately clamp down even harder on everyone else, on top of whoever you end up hurting.

                      Edit: oh and also alienate everyone.

                      • Anna_KOC [comrade/them]
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                        4 years ago

                        They're already clamping down all the time and everyone is already alienated.

                        • SolidaritySplodarity [they/them]
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                          4 years ago

                          "Clamp down even harder" implies they're already clamping down. The point is it will only hurt the cause by giving them a new and very popular excuse to fuck with socialists, a present to the imperialists. Though I seriously doubt this is anything more than a larp, that is what it would actually do.

                          Ted Kaczynski had the same idea. It has not exactly blossomed into a strong anprim movement to destroy the US system from within. In fact, most people only understand him as a terrorist and not an anprim because there was nobody but the feds and the media to propagate his message. Killed a bunch of clerks and shit, real revolutionary times.

                          This is the alienation that would occur. I'm not talking about the Marxist sense or some kind of neoliberal commentary on psychology, I mean literally everyone will want to distance themselves from you. You will become the new Vuvuzela for chuds and no socialist will touch you with a ten-foot pole. Though we should also consider the possibility that your message goes ignored just like Kaczynski's, so all you really ended up doing was murdering some people or blowing some shit up or whatever, none of which will ever take down the imperial core.