Edit- y’all are getting salty. Clearly I agree with Lenin that revolutionaries should work in reactionary parliaments. But that is not the same as the DSA who think electoralism is the key to meaningful change, and not a combination of legal and illegal strategies.
Forgot that strict application of ML ideology is the only way to abolish capitalism my bad.
Make sure you get up every hour or you'll get sores from your armchair.
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Thats great & I really hope you are able to make headway on that. We're all in the same struggle, but I hope you aren't as prickly IRL as you are online because if you have this attitude in person it is going to be a lonely time trying to organize. I hope you are happy and more importantly active in the party so that one day we can work together.
You're also moving the goalposts on what I'm saying, though. You're shitting on people in the DSA for not having pushed the communism button already. What I'm saying is its the largest "left" vehicle in the US and lots of the local orgs do good, revolutionary work. What I'm saying is not everyone is going to slot in to a newly formed vangaurd party (or have one locally to slot into) and shitting on those trying to move the world forward is needlessly confrontational.
The influx of soc dems on this site change the rhetoric and goals of people here overall. We shit on Bernie and AOC for doing A and B, yet the cognitive dissonance about the effectiveness of the DSA is ignored. If they are arguing that reforms can be voted in, then that is what they’re going to believe how actual, meaningful change is brought about.
I’ll refer to Lenin’s LWCAID, specifically the chapter Should We Participate in Bourgeois Parliaments?
I'm once again begging you to actually read my comments before soapboxing against things I'm not even saying.
I'm not saying that telling people to :vote: is the good part of the DSA. It's not. I'm not an electoralist, I don't find it a useful vehicle for material change. However, there ARE good parts of the DSA where many localities have book clubs that participate in education revolutionary theory, organize labor, and perform direct action against the state.
You also just linked something from 1920, which was written by someone who had to learn throughout his life through his own experience that electoral reform is a dead end, yet shit on people going through that on their own.
How will libs move further left if the organization overall wants soc dem style reforms? If the leadership is full of libs, how will that not effect the actions of the group as a whole? If it is not centralized and chapters/localities are doing things on their own, won’t that lead to individualism and idealism , and a dissolutions to how the masses can come together and agitate for change?
And if I linked to a book someone wrote about in the past struggles with bourgeois parliaments, why should people need to go through this struggle on their own? Read theory and see how past revolutions and revolutionary experiences have worked and how they relate to us today. If it wasn’t relevant, it would have been lost to time and chastised by other communists. But Lenin don’t miss. :lenin-shining: